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Re: Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene

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Post by lukas099 »

chii wrote: post #42
aurareturn wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think HN is far less accessible than Reddit. This turns away the casuals, leaving behind the more hardcore users. Every subreddit with a large following eventually turns into a complete meme fest with low quality comments and trolls. But the smaller subreddits still offer good value.

> I think HN is far less accessible than Reddit. depends on what you mean by accessible - i assume you don't mean accessibility (for blind/disabled people), but ease of access. HN is way more easily accessed by someone. You are not nagged by a dialog to get you to download the mobile app. HN has way less clutter in their UX (even compared to old.reddit.com). HN has fewer call to action in the UX to do things like sub…

I think they mean that the content is less accessible, as in having less mass appeal

Re: Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene

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Post by colmvp »

aurareturn wrote: post #34
the_duke wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some subreddits managed to maintain pretty high quality in the past, with pretty aggressive moderation. eg: r/askhistorians or r/politics. No idea how the situation is nowadays, I haven't really been on there in years. But that requires a lot of effort from the moderators.

Yes, I've seen some. The aggressive moderation does turn casuals away and caps the growth of the subreddit though.

Aggressive moderation can be very toxic. The /r/toronto and /r/askTO subreddits are modded by essentially the same people. They remove comments/posts without explanation as to what rules were broken, and then when you critique them in the comments surprise, surprise, they remove them too!

Re: Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene

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Post by malfist »

DeathArrow wrote: post #8

>Unlike most platforms today, Jike does not use in-app ads to lure users or algorithms to push content, but encourages active engagement through carefully curated topics and in-depth discussions across the app. That's something I would like to take a part in. Unfortunately I don't know Mandarin.

These things are always true while they're trying to gain their foot in the door. First comes ad free, then comes users, then comes ads

Re: Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene

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Post by thinkingtoilet »

instagraham wrote: post #4

Every guild or community should have a high quality discussion forum like hackernews. But assuming you can translate the learnings from Hackernews to another platform, how exactly would you ensure high quality?

As others have pointed out, the answer is moderation. High quality, diligent moderation. Reddit is the ultimate proof of this. A highly moderated, focused subreddit can be a wonderful place. A loosely moderated subreddit quickly devolves into memes and lowest common denominator posts, which is totally fine for specific subjects, or even meme-based subreddits for a given topic. If you want quality, you have to invest in it. It doesn't just happen. The good news is that it's self reinforcing. Once you have something good, people start policing themselves and others. This can go overboard of course, but it can be a good a really good thing. I often see comments here along the lines of, "comments like this are not welcome here".

Re: Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene

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Post by nirui »

DeathArrow wrote: post #9
instagraham wrote: post #4

Every guild or community should have a high quality discussion forum like hackernews. But assuming you can translate the learnings from Hackernews to another platform, how exactly would you ensure high quality?

Hacker news is great but it's not a social platform. Hard to follow someone, hard to chat, hard to form groups discussing various topics. It would be nice to have features of hacker news and reddit combined.

> Hard to follow someone, hard to chat

Maybe that's one reason why you have such great quality time here.

I think the problem about social medias is that people have flaws, and social medias puts a great focus on individual people, exposing their good side as well as flawed side. But, most people are not well-trained to handle such level of influence (including being influenced as well as to influence the others), and don't clearly know the power/stress such influence might hold (one misstep, the whole thing can crash to hell).

Also, people change. One day you believe one thing, then the next day you believe something completely different. But if your follower follows you exactly because you are advocating one belief, wouldn't that in turn encourages you to lock yourself out from all other beliefs (and risk become more extreme in the process)?

Hacker News puts the material itself in the focus of discussion, rather than who posted it. Which in my opinion, is better, at least most the time.

Re: Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene

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Post by swayvil »

thinkingtoilet wrote: post #56
instagraham wrote: post #4

Every guild or community should have a high quality discussion forum like hackernews. But assuming you can translate the learnings from Hackernews to another platform, how exactly would you ensure high quality?

As others have pointed out, the answer is moderation. High quality, diligent moderation. Reddit is the ultimate proof of this. A highly moderated, focused subreddit can be a wonderful place. A loosely moderated subreddit quickly devolves into memes and lowest common denominator posts, which is totally fine for specific subjects, or even meme-based subreddits for a given topic. If you want quality, you have to invest…

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Re: Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene

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Post by vundercind »

bxksnche wrote: post #32
aurareturn wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think HN is far less accessible than Reddit. This turns away the casuals, leaving behind the more hardcore users. Every subreddit with a large following eventually turns into a complete meme fest with low quality comments and trolls. But the smaller subreddits still offer good value.

To me the No. 1 reason HN is successful is that it doesn’t have to monetise its users. This leads to much stronger alignment of incentives between users and the owners of the platform. That’s not to say it’s not valuable to YC. It provides them with very good marketing to a core demographic they are trying to market to. Kinda like sports teams run by petro states. For social media platforms it means that HN’s existen…

It does monetize them (us). It’s an advertising platform, just one with a very narrow set of clients (companies ycombinator invests in)

What it isn’t, is dependent on an ad marketplace. It’s more like a industry digest published by an investment firm active in that industry.

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