This is the final push we needed to move to Discord. Bye slack. We won't miss you.
It is a bold assumption to think that discord hasn't always been using harvested text/voice/video data to train models.
Slack AI Training with Customer Data
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#152Story time. I was at a VC conference last year and if I learned nothing else there, I learned how to spell "AI". Every single exhibitor just about had their signage proudly proclaiming their capabilities in this area, but one in particular struck me. They were touting the API integrations they could offer to train their "Enterprise AI"/LLM, and among those integrations were things like M365, Slack, etc. It struck me…
Along the same lines, phi-3 is kind of a sign of what you can do if you focus only on high quality data. It seems like while yes, quantity is very important, quality almot matters just as much.
Re: Slack AI Training with Customer Data
#153> We offer Customers a choice around these practices. If you want to exclude your Customer Data from helping train Slack global models, you can opt out. If you opt out, Customer Data on your workspace will only be used to improve the experience on your own workspace and you will still enjoy all of the benefits of our globally trained AI/ML models without contributing to the underlying models. Why would anyone not opt…
> Why would anyone not opt-out? Because you might actually want to have the best possible global models ? Think of "not opting out" as "helping them build a better product". You are already paying for that product, if there is anything you can do, for free and without any additional time investment on your side that makes their next release better, why not do it ? You gain a better product for the same price, they ge…
I for one consider it my duty to bravely sacrifice my privacy to the alter of corporate profit so that the true beauty of LLM trained in emojis and cat gifs can bring humanity to the next epoch.
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#154I long ago replaced Slack with Signal chat rooms. You can set an auto delete and it’s all secure to start with. Also, free.
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#155I wonder how many people that are really mad about these guys or SE using their professional output to train models thought commercial artists were just being whiny sore losers when Deviant Art, Adobe, OpenAI, Stability, et al did it to them.
squarely in the former camp. there's something deeply abhorrent about creating a place that encourages people to share and build and collaborate, then turning around and using their creative output to put more money in shareholder pockets.
i deleted my reddit and github accounts when they decided the millions of dollars per month they're receiving from their users wasn't enough. don't have the power to move our shop off slack but rest assured many will as a result of this announcement.
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#156Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Why would anyone not opt-out? Because you might actually want to have the best possible global models ? Think of "not opting out" as "helping them build a better product". You are already paying for that product, if there is anything you can do, for free and without any additional time investment on your side that makes their next release better, why not do it ? You gain a better product for the same price, they ge…
> Think of "not opting out" as "helping them build a better product" I feel like someone would only have this opinion if they've never ever dealt with any in the tech industry, or capitalist, in their entire life. So like 8-19 year olds? Except even they seem to understand that the profit absolutist goals undermine everything. This idea has the same smell as "We're a family" company meetings.
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#157The gold rush for data is wild. Private companies selling us out. - Slack - Discord - Reddit - Stackoverflow Let’s just hope this data gold rush dies out faster than the web3 craze before OpenAI reaches critical mass and gets access to government server farms. Alphabet boys have server farms of domestic and foreign surveillance and intelligence. Exabytes of data [1] [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Cente…
I mean slack is sold off. Founders made money. For all intents and purposes it's dead software.
proprietary software that no one who cares about privacy or security should use? absolutely. dead? not exactly
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#158Not to be glib, but this why we built Tonic Textual (www.tonic.ai/textual). It’s both very challenging and very important to protect data in training workflows. We designed Textual to make it easy to both redact sensitive data and replace it with contextually relevant synthetic data.
To add on to this: I think it should be mentioned that Slack says they'll prevent data leakage across workspaces in their model, but don't explain how they do this. They don't seem to go into any detail about their data safeguards and how they're excluding sensitive info from training. Textual is good for this purpose since it redacts PII thus preventing it from being leaked by the trained model. Disclaimer: I work a…
How do you handle proprietary data being leaked? Sure you can easily detect and redact names and phone numbers and addresses, but without significant context it seems difficult to detect whether "11 spices - mix with 2 cups of white flour ... 2/3 teaspoons of salt, 1/2 teaspoons of thyme [...]" is just a normal public recipe or a trade secret kept closely guarded for 70 years
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#159The incentive for first party tool providers to do this is going to be huge, whether its Slack, Google, Microsoft, or really any other SaaS tool. Ultimately, if business want to avoid getting commoditized by their vendors, they need be in control of their data, and their AI strategy. And that probably ultimately means turning off all of these small-utility-very-expensive-and-might-ruin-your-business features, and act…
It’s definitely a moral hazard (/opportunity). As a reminder, by default on windows 11 Microsoft syncs your files to their server.
all your files? no way that cozy of a blanket statement can be true. if you kept cycling in drives full of /dev/random you could fill up M$ servers with petabytes of junk? sounds like an appealing weekend project
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#160> For any model that will be used broadly across all of our customers, we do not build or train these models in such a way that they could learn, memorise, or be able to reproduce some part of Customer Data This feels so full of subtle qualifiers and weasel words that it generates far more distrust than trust. It only refers to models used "broadly across all" customers - so if it's (a) not used "broadly" or (b) only…
Especially when a few paragraphs below they say: > If you want to exclude your Customer Data from helping train Slack global models, you can opt out. So Customer Data is not used to train models "used broadly across all of our customers [in such a way that ...]", but... it is used to help train global models. Uh.
Why are these kinda things opt-out? And need to be discovered..
We're literally discussing switching to Teams at my company (1500 employees)