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Re: Bossware is a big legal risk

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Post by bitwize »

Lanolderen wrote: post #104
ebiester wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are the interviewees going to come to my house? What do you do if you're a remote company?

Using a coworking space sounds viable. Past that maybe a cafe if it's not gonna be a heavily technical interview where you need peace, quiet and a whiteboard. Edit: Maybe a library? Most around me have rooms for working in groups.

I was flown out from the east coast to the company's HQ in Portland, OR to do the last technical round of interviewing back in 2006. All expenses paid (flight, meal, 1 night of hotel).

Re: Bossware is a big legal risk

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Post by SapporoChris »

MissTake wrote: post #123
mecha_ghidorah wrote: post #83

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I genuinely don't have a webcam. I mean my work laptop does, but I wouldn't be using my work laptop to interview with people. My home desktop doesn't have one though because I'd literally never use it, and no way I am buying one to take an interview test.

Presumably you have a smartphone? Last I saw even the cheapest of Android phones had some form of “selfie” front facing camera.

https://www.amazon.com/Easyfone-Prime-A6-4G-International-Ce...

Rise of the dumbphones!

Re: Bossware is a big legal risk

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Post by whoitwas »

davely wrote: post #22
woleium wrote: post #4

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Just assume it does

No kidding! We have some ridiculous timeout on our work machines that triggers the screensaver after 2 minutes of idle time (we can’t change this). After it’s triggered, you need to enter your password to unlock (company mandated, 10 chars minimum, no repeating chars, at least 1 upper and 1 lower case char, at least 1 special symbol, change every 90 days, can't be too similar to last 10(!) passwords). Okay, this is a…

I alias a script to run caffeinate. They aren't going to mess with your terminal processes.

https://ss64.com/mac/caffeinate.html

Re: Bossware is a big legal risk

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Post by Filligree »

steve_rambo wrote: post #119
paxys wrote: post #57

Everyone replying with "what's the big deal?" is showing their tech privilege. You may not have to deal with intrusive monitoring, but warehouse workers are increasingly being made to wear ankle bracelets so every movement of theirs can be monitored and stack ranked. Workers in WFH "gig" jobs are made to install always-on keyloggers and other monitoring software on their personal computers and phones (which are requi…

This is crazy to read. I live in what you consider a highly authoritarian and non-free society and can't imagine something like this happening here. Lower paid jobs are even more privileged in some ways: for example, in many companies you can just not show up for work for a couple of days if you feel like it, and the worst thing you can expect is a small pay cut at the end of the month.

America is a strange place, that’s for sure. It doesn’t look any saner from here in Europe.

Re: Bossware is a big legal risk

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Post by Maskawanian »

tetromino_ wrote: post #15
CoastalCoder wrote: post #7

I was surprised (perhaps I shouldn't have been) to encounter bossware-like surveilance in an interview process . About 6 months ago I was interviewing with InterSystems, a company that does healthcare software. Only when I signed in for the online coding interview did I learn that they required I have a webcam on myself the whole time. I don't like using coarse language. But it was the first time I struggled to not u…

In light of interview fraud, it seems reasonable for the interviewer to request that you are live on camera so they can see that you are who you say you are and that you are working alone. The part that would have made me walk away would have been if the video was being recorded and retained, as opposed to merely being watched live.

How would you be able to ensure you that? Even if say, Zoom itself wasn't recording, you can run OBS in the background.

Trust runs both ways.

Re: Bossware is a big legal risk

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Post by gcr »

manuelmoreale wrote: post #102
paxys wrote: post #57

Everyone replying with "what's the big deal?" is showing their tech privilege. You may not have to deal with intrusive monitoring, but warehouse workers are increasingly being made to wear ankle bracelets so every movement of theirs can be monitored and stack ranked. Workers in WFH "gig" jobs are made to install always-on keyloggers and other monitoring software on their personal computers and phones (which are requi…

Not arguing against your points but I'm wondering if this is more a US related issue? I never heard this being a thing here in the EU but maybe it's just me being unaware of all the various situations. I don't know anyone who works from home (whether in tech and in other sectors) that has to deal with all that nonsense.

American here, this feels very uniquely “American Capitalist” to me

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Post by kevindamm »

Teever wrote: post #66
VBprogrammer wrote: post #41

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Emm, yes? What do you think they are going to do with it. They are also considering giving you access to potentially a vast amount of their IP and maybe even customer data.

Whatever they're legally allowed to and I may never know. That's the problem.

Wouldn't you need to sign over your name, image and likeness (along with an affidavit that it isn't already exclusively owned) in order for them to legally reuse it?

Granted, I've seen tech employee contracts that do include that wording, but it hasn't been in any of the pre-employment paperwork like NDA, etc., in my experience.

Re: Bossware is a big legal risk

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Post by kbrkbr »

mistrial9 wrote: post #78
apimade wrote: post #51

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Cybersecurity nerd here, have talked to many platform and financial company CISO’s, security teams and recruiters over the past few years. Fake interviewees are pretty rampant. We’re getting to the point where presenting yourself in-person to a government representative, agency or a private attestation company will be part of the onboarding process. At this point it looks like it’ll be iris scans. In the US it’s even…

> then someone else shows up someone else shows up ? what is the denominator

We've seen that also. You interview someone online, help file the paperwork to get into the country and work visum, and then someone else, a technically much weaker guy, shows up on the first day. We had that twice in the last two years

Re: Bossware is a big legal risk

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Post by resource_waste »

paxys wrote: post #57

Everyone replying with "what's the big deal?" is showing their tech privilege. You may not have to deal with intrusive monitoring, but warehouse workers are increasingly being made to wear ankle bracelets so every movement of theirs can be monitored and stack ranked. Workers in WFH "gig" jobs are made to install always-on keyloggers and other monitoring software on their personal computers and phones (which are requi…

>I'm happy the government is finally stepping in.

As a small player, I'm always afraid of this. Two of my companies died because of legal stuff that was outside the economics I could front.

Re: Bossware is a big legal risk

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Post by resource_waste »

Filligree wrote: post #134
steve_rambo wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is crazy to read. I live in what you consider a highly authoritarian and non-free society and can't imagine something like this happening here. Lower paid jobs are even more privileged in some ways: for example, in many companies you can just not show up for work for a couple of days if you feel like it, and the worst thing you can expect is a small pay cut at the end of the month.

America is a strange place, that’s for sure. It doesn’t look any saner from here in Europe.

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