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I would not accept employment under any terms that allowed my employer to look at me without my knowledge, or snoop around on my computer without my acquiescence.
It's not your computer, it's a company laptop.
Bossware is a big legal risk
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Re: Bossware is a big legal risk
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You are the user I fear most; clever enough the be dangerous and aware of the bullshit. If you were really smart you would lobby your IT department to change the ridiculously short timeout, and protest by not working when it locks on you during normal pauses.
Hah. I'd like to think there's nothing to fear from me as a user. Look, I get why some of these policies are in place -- a bunch of it stems from locking down our systems and protecting critical data due to various Sarbanes-Oxley requirements. Plus, sometimes smart people do dumb things, and it leads to bad things (e.g, see the LinkedIn incident) [1]. But man, oh man, is it annoying! Especially if I'm in my own home,…
Re: Bossware is a big legal risk
#83I was surprised (perhaps I shouldn't have been) to encounter bossware-like surveilance in an interview process . About 6 months ago I was interviewing with InterSystems, a company that does healthcare software. Only when I signed in for the online coding interview did I learn that they required I have a webcam on myself the whole time. I don't like using coarse language. But it was the first time I struggled to not u…
Re: Bossware is a big legal risk
#84Everyone replying with "what's the big deal?" is showing their tech privilege. You may not have to deal with intrusive monitoring, but warehouse workers are increasingly being made to wear ankle bracelets so every movement of theirs can be monitored and stack ranked. Workers in WFH "gig" jobs are made to install always-on keyloggers and other monitoring software on their personal computers and phones (which are requi…
> Plenty of jobs require you to hand your social media passwords to your employer. Can you elaborate with examples or references?
Re: Bossware is a big legal risk
#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
I would not accept employment under any terms that allowed my employer to look at me without my knowledge, or snoop around on my computer without my acquiescence.
It's not your computer, it's a company laptop.
The attitude of some employers is very poor.
Re: Bossware is a big legal risk
#86I was surprised (perhaps I shouldn't have been) to encounter bossware-like surveilance in an interview process . About 6 months ago I was interviewing with InterSystems, a company that does healthcare software. Only when I signed in for the online coding interview did I learn that they required I have a webcam on myself the whole time. I don't like using coarse language. But it was the first time I struggled to not u…
Unfortunately this is a requirement nowadays. Scammers learned how to generate realistic CVs and they organize people to pass online interviews for them. After getting the job, they do nothing, get their salary for the first billing period, and leave.
They'd need to get more than one job per pay period for that to be more lucrative than just doing one of the jobs they were approved for.
Also the money would be split between the scammers.
That sounds like more work than actually doing a normal job, but I guess it may be more automatable.
I don't know though, interview processes can be very tedious.
Re: Bossware is a big legal risk
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Yesterday I was working and my three year old came running -- directly out of the shower -- into the room to show me her doll's "new hairstyle". Can you answer this directly: How many people's computers, servers, and backups should video of my child be on?
Please quote the part of my comment above where I said literally anything about a webcam.
"seen"
Re: Bossware is a big legal risk
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Can you answer this question directly: What is it that you don't want seen by a company representative, on a company computer, while being paid by the company?
Different person here, but: literally anything. I don't have "anything to hide," but I don't trust the company's judgment (or, more specifically, that of every possible "company representative." It only takes one to make something a federal fucking issue.) If I do a google search for "cake toppers for lesbian wedding" while my code's compiling, that's morally fine. But if a bored "company representative" decides to t…
Maybe you'll sue for it. Maybe all those activity logs become part of the evidence. Maybe there are other people who got fired under similar circumstances, and you form a class action... After all, who can say that the company isn't engaging in illegal discriminatory behavior based on those logs, simply because the logs were conveniently available and detailed?
Lots of big potential problems here for everyone.
Re: Bossware is a big legal risk
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No kidding! We have some ridiculous timeout on our work machines that triggers the screensaver after 2 minutes of idle time (we can’t change this). After it’s triggered, you need to enter your password to unlock (company mandated, 10 chars minimum, no repeating chars, at least 1 upper and 1 lower case char, at least 1 special symbol, change every 90 days, can't be too similar to last 10(!) passwords). Okay, this is a…
You are the user I fear most; clever enough the be dangerous and aware of the bullshit. If you were really smart you would lobby your IT department to change the ridiculously short timeout, and protest by not working when it locks on you during normal pauses.
Of course it's a balance, but think of the wasted productivity from a 2 minute timeout with stupid password requirements like that. That incurs a cost.
I bet they also have many other wonderful ideas and overly-bureaucratic processes that are strangling efficiency and preventing innovation.
Re: Bossware is a big legal risk
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How can you vet a candidate remotely without having them on the cam? Especially today with all the LLMs, it's pretty much a hiring requirement if you can't bring the candidate in for an interview.
Easy, you ask them to talk you through their reasoning. LLM’s are fucking terrible at this for anything nontrivial.
They seem pretty solid in my experience, in fact, if they shine at anything it's expository blobs of text.