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Re: Claude is now available in Europe

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Post by exe34 »

ivan_gammel wrote: post #35
exe34 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> my father who was banned from schools or to my grandfather who was in prison We have those in the west today.

The West is a too broad term, we have very different political systems among Western countries. In some of them cancel culture and big tech aren’t that strong. Besides, it is really different from USSR. Do you know any example in the West in XXI century where a poet or a writer were censored to death?

By the state, no, but Salman Rushdie probably doesn't care who's doing the stabbing.

Re: Claude is now available in Europe

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Post by benreesman »

margorczynski wrote: post #40
benreesman wrote: post #37

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When I got started in this business 20 some years ago it was wildly diverse: you’d have like a biker-gang looking guy with hard right politics getting yelled at by a chick with bright pink hair, but it would be about bash or perl or something. Never about stupid political posturing. We’ve managed to destroy the one profession with serious vertical class mobility where no one gave a fuck about your race or age or sexu…

Well as people started seeing (big) money in the area more and more "business people" started to inject themselves into the structures and now it is full of MBAs and all sorts of grifters.

I know, I was there.

Glass half full?

Never been easier to take on a trillion dollar company run by non-technical people.

Re: Claude is now available in Europe

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Post by exe34 »

ivan_gammel wrote: post #29
exe34 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did he complain about safety and freedom, or did he complain about censorship? Is it possible that corporate censorship in the west today is already worse than state censorship was in the USSR, due to the unavoidable encroachment of technology into everyday life and the surveillance/centralisation path that we've taken with the internet, without the impact on safety and freedom (yet)? Once you have the surveillance i…

>is already worse than state censorship was in the USSR It is not. It is absolutely inadequate comparison.

What does censorship mean to you?

Re: Claude is now available in Europe

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Post by throwaway11460 »

lynx23 wrote: post #31
throwaway11460 wrote: post #11

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Just like that bullshit about today's "censorship" being in any way comparable to what happened in Eastern Europe. Tell that to my father who was banned from schools or to my grandfather who was in prison, both of them would punch you for it.

If any of your relatives would punch me for whatever reason, the correct reaction would be to go to the police and take them to court. Just because you are upset does not mean you can suggest physical violence like that, just casually. Sticks and stones, you know...

I am not suggesting anything, I am just telling you what would happen. Don't go near them spewing bullshit like that.

Consider that even getting a fair hearing at a court is a privilege to them. They grew up in a world where they said the wrong thing to the wrong person (not even a crime or anything morally/ethically wrong, or even offensive at all) and it affected three generations of their family with no end in sight if the USSR didn't collapse. No courts involved - the municipal Party Committee's opinion was enough to put my grandfather in prison for years. That's censorship, not some ban from a single inconsequential private website with million alternatives.

You know what upsets me about this? When people use words like censorship to advocate for a world more like it was before 1989. Not wanting to enter into a business relationship with somebody is not censorship, it's freedom.

Re: Claude is now available in Europe

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Post by arsenico »

ivan_gammel wrote: post #29
exe34 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did he complain about safety and freedom, or did he complain about censorship? Is it possible that corporate censorship in the west today is already worse than state censorship was in the USSR, due to the unavoidable encroachment of technology into everyday life and the surveillance/centralisation path that we've taken with the internet, without the impact on safety and freedom (yet)? Once you have the surveillance i…

>is already worse than state censorship was in the USSR It is not. It is absolutely inadequate comparison.

Oh, it absolutely is. Censorship in USSR was manual labor. The scale at which its is operating today is incomparable, as is the amount of false positives which it captures, as well as the variety of censored topics across different institutions.

Re: Claude is now available in Europe

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Post by throwaway11460 »

exe34 wrote: post #27
throwaway11460 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just like that bullshit about today's "censorship" being in any way comparable to what happened in Eastern Europe. Tell that to my father who was banned from schools or to my grandfather who was in prison, both of them would punch you for it.

> my father who was banned from schools or to my grandfather who was in prison We have those in the west today.

Where in the west? Certainly not anywhere in EU. In the US... Could you send me some examples please?

Re: Claude is now available in Europe

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Post by throwaway11460 »

exe34 wrote: post #41
ivan_gammel wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The West is a too broad term, we have very different political systems among Western countries. In some of them cancel culture and big tech aren’t that strong. Besides, it is really different from USSR. Do you know any example in the West in XXI century where a poet or a writer were censored to death?

By the state, no, but Salman Rushdie probably doesn't care who's doing the stabbing.

It's very different. A stabbing is a crime that is prosecuted, state sanctioned imprisonment is not.

Re: Claude is now available in Europe

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Post by matesz »

So, in general Claude still beats newest GPT-4o model in software development category, right? [1]

Although new GPT is better at small coding excercises (72.9% vs 68.4%), it falls behind in more challenging refactoring tasks (62.9% vs 72.3%).

I used Claude through VPN from Europe, and from the start could see it was much better than GPT-4, in my limited very subjective use cases.

[1] https://aider.chat/docs/leaderboards/

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