Claude is now available in Europe • Hacker News Board

Re: Claude is now available in Europe

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Post by lynx23 » Tue, May 14, 2024, 10:26 AM UTC

throwaway11460 wrote: post #11

polycaster wrote: post #9

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That‘s not funny at all.

Just like that bullshit about today's "censorship" being in any way comparable to what happened in Eastern Europe. Tell that to my father who was banned from schools or to my grandfather who was in prison, both of them would punch you for it.

If any of your relatives would punch me for whatever reason, the correct reaction would be to go to the police and take them to court. Just because you are upset does not mean you can suggest physical violence like that, just casually. Sticks and stones, you know...

Re: Claude is now available in Europe

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Post by gwervc » Tue, May 14, 2024, 10:26 AM UTC

exe34 wrote: post #25

nurumaik wrote: post #21

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Are you afraid for your and your family lives after posting this comment? If not, then it's not worse

Did he complain about safety and freedom, or did he complain about censorship? Is it possible that corporate censorship in the west today is already worse than state censorship was in the USSR, due to the unavoidable encroachment of technology into everyday life and the surveillance/centralisation path that we've taken with the internet, without the impact on safety and freedom (yet)? Once you have the surveillance i…

> Once you have the surveillance in place, it only takes a regime change and a suitable excuse

Or just a pandemic. We've seen first hand how divergent speech was treated in "democratic" countries and how quickly algorithmic censorship was implemented on web products, especially those owned by Google.

Re: Claude is now available in Europe

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Post by benreesman » Tue, May 14, 2024, 10:27 AM UTC

SturgeonsLaw wrote: post #23

gorbypark wrote: post #3

They banned my account a few weeks back because I asked it to translate some Japanese text that was on a kitchen knife. Still no response from their Trust & Safety team. It's frustrating because Claude is really quite good at coding and I used it frequently.

Trust and safety folks are the biggest bunch of weenies around. Yeah I said it.

I’m not sure I’d put it like that (again anyways, I had a bad time when I did), but it is a really important point: when did these folks start legislating from Atherton or whatever (Le Defense)?

Doing harmful shit via computers is already really friggin illegal, and if we need even more draconian computer crime laws? I say they get passed by like, a legislature or something.

Fuck private individuals and/or corporations arrogating regulatory power to themselves.

Yeah, I said it.

Re: Claude is now available in Europe

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Post by oblio » Tue, May 14, 2024, 10:28 AM UTC

ivan_gammel wrote: post #10

cynicalsecurity wrote: post #5

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So how do they set up troikas? A team lead from CS, janitor from main office building and someone from legal? Can they send you to GULAG? Is that a German firm offering enterprise prison services?

> Is that a German firm offering enterprise prison services?

That's so passé. These days those firms are all American.

Re: Claude is now available in Europe

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Post by ivan_gammel » Tue, May 14, 2024, 10:29 AM UTC

exe34 wrote: post #27

throwaway11460 wrote: post #11

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Just like that bullshit about today's "censorship" being in any way comparable to what happened in Eastern Europe. Tell that to my father who was banned from schools or to my grandfather who was in prison, both of them would punch you for it.

> my father who was banned from schools or to my grandfather who was in prison We have those in the west today.

The West is a too broad term, we have very different political systems among Western countries. In some of them cancel culture and big tech aren’t that strong. Besides, it is really different from USSR. Do you know any example in the West in XXI century where a poet or a writer were censored to death?

Re: Claude is now available in Europe

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Post by ivan_gammel » Tue, May 14, 2024, 10:31 AM UTC

oblio wrote: post #34

ivan_gammel wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So how do they set up troikas? A team lead from CS, janitor from main office building and someone from legal? Can they send you to GULAG? Is that a German firm offering enterprise prison services?

> Is that a German firm offering enterprise prison services? That's so passé. These days those firms are all American.

Nah, you missed the AG (Aktiengesellschaft) in the joke…

Re: Claude is now available in Europe

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Post by benreesman » Tue, May 14, 2024, 10:33 AM UTC

gwervc wrote: post #26

SturgeonsLaw wrote: post #23

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Trust and safety folks are the biggest bunch of weenies around. Yeah I said it.

That's saying a lot given the other contenders are DEI folx.

When I got started in this business 20 some years ago it was wildly diverse: you’d have like a biker-gang looking guy with hard right politics getting yelled at by a chick with bright pink hair, but it would be about bash or perl or something. Never about stupid political posturing.

We’ve managed to destroy the one profession with serious vertical class mobility where no one gave a fuck about your race or age or sexual orientation or politics or anything but can this person code, do they geek out.

The one thing we didn’t used to tolerate and now do is flagrant nepotism. Which seems like a step backwards on any of diversity, equity, or inclusion.

Re: Claude is now available in Europe

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Post by DebtDeflation » Tue, May 14, 2024, 10:33 AM UTC

andsoitends wrote: post #6

cynicalsecurity wrote: post #5

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It truly is. Like Google's AI that does not let you create images of faces rolls eyes It is just kinda silly, when ChatGPT cannot tell me how to make a bot to publish posts on my own forum (I did it myself in the end) saying it is for ethical reasons, when OpenAI bots scrape tonnes of sites daily in such an aggressive manner that it comes near to a DOS attack =/

Gemini creating images of a diverse set of Nazis including black males and Asian females in response to a "create an image of WWII German soldiers" prompt was the moment AI safety jumped the shark for me. I was hoping it would cause a deep introspection on what we are actually trying to accomplish with AI Safety, because this clearly isn't it.

Re: Claude is now available in Europe

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Post by BlueTemplar » Tue, May 14, 2024, 10:33 AM UTC

gorbypark wrote: post #3

They banned my account a few weeks back because I asked it to translate some Japanese text that was on a kitchen knife. Still no response from their Trust & Safety team. It's frustrating because Claude is really quite good at coding and I used it frequently.

Aaand it's because of bullshit like this that platforms are evil and ought not be used...

Re: Claude is now available in Europe

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Post by margorczynski » Tue, May 14, 2024, 10:38 AM UTC

benreesman wrote: post #37

gwervc wrote: post #26

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That's saying a lot given the other contenders are DEI folx.

When I got started in this business 20 some years ago it was wildly diverse: you’d have like a biker-gang looking guy with hard right politics getting yelled at by a chick with bright pink hair, but it would be about bash or perl or something. Never about stupid political posturing. We’ve managed to destroy the one profession with serious vertical class mobility where no one gave a fuck about your race or age or sexu…

Well as people started seeing (big) money in the area more and more "business people" started to inject themselves into the structures and now it is full of MBAs and all sorts of grifters.