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Tesla FSD head to head against Mercedes Driver Assist on the same road [video]

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Re: Tesla FSD head to head against Mercedes Driver Assist on the same road [video]

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Post by redwood »

7sidedmarble wrote: post #16
mg wrote: post #12

Unless there is a change in how autonomous driving software is trained, it seems Tesla is destined to dominate that market, right? Tesla has the most training data consisting of video input + corresponding driver behavior. And they have the most compute power. Which twist of fate could happen, so that Tesla falls behind in the future? I could imagine that there is an invention which lets AI learn about the world by j…

That visual sensors only seem like they make no sense when they can get obstructed by weather

I don't get this perspective. Somehow humans drive with visual input

Re: Tesla FSD head to head against Mercedes Driver Assist on the same road [video]

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Post by llamaimperative »

ajross wrote: post #11
Almondsetat wrote: post #9

Doesn't Mercedes guarantee level 3 only on certain stretches of road? Shouldn't a better comparison take place there?

Not just the road. Drive Pilot is a radar based following technology. It won't drive on open roads at all, it can only follow a car in front of you that it has affirmatively detected on radar (the point being to eliminate the false positives that radar is known for). If it changes lanes or gets too far ahead the system will disengage. Likewise there's a speed limit of 60kph or somesuch, etc... It's mostly a stunt, ba…

Uhh no, it’s called good engineering versus over-ambitious marketing. Systems are designed for specific operational design domains and they are expected not to work outside of the ODD. The key thing is that the operator needs to understand what the ODD is and whether they’re inside or outside of it. Mercedes has a very clear ODD with very clear guarantees inside of it. Tesla does not have any established ODD nor any guaranteed performance inside of it.

Mercedes is incrementally improving a system the exact way you’re supposed to engineer such a system. It is not an abuse of the SAE Levels framework, it is exactly why the levels are what they are! It is Tesla that is pulling off stunts.

Re: Tesla FSD head to head against Mercedes Driver Assist on the same road [video]

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Post by throwaway11460 »

anonporridge wrote: post #10

Isn't the premise of this video of the Consumer Reports comparison a bit of red herring? It seems like Consumer Reports is comparing Mercedes Driver Assistance with Tesla Autopilot and then the video goes on to compare it to Tesla FSD . Obviously, the average person doesn't know there's a difference and may be misinformed by CR to believe that Tesla sucks, but we can acknowledge here that Tesla Autopilot is very meh…

Well either way, with all the articles about Mercedes having the first Lwhatever self driving system, you would think it's actually better than the FSD.

Re: Tesla FSD head to head against Mercedes Driver Assist on the same road [video]

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Post by wrboyce »

resource_waste wrote: post #2

Mercedes? Pick an easier competition? As much as European cars have a favorable reputation among American consumers: They are awful! If you do benchmarking, you are going to find European cars have lots of appearance parts that are high quality, but the actual components are poor. A more realistic comparison would be to compare Tesla vs Ford or GM. These are 3 companies that have similar tech/culture standards. This…

Nice cherry picking, I occasionally see a (ridiculously oversized) Chevrolet (Corvettes I think) on the road here in Britain and the build quality is utter shite, not to mention how fugly they are but I suppose that is subjective.

How many McLaren, Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche, etc equivalents does America produce? Beyond most of those examples there is good reason “German Engineering” is an oft-repeated phrase. See, I can cherry pick too (Europe also produce Fiats, lol, “fix it again tomorrow”).

EDIT: and tbh I don’t even agree with your cherry picked example either, every Tesla I’ve been in has had terrible build quality and been a horrible ride.

Re: Tesla FSD head to head against Mercedes Driver Assist on the same road [video]

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Post by lopkeny12ko »

CorrectHorseBat wrote: post #18

And yet speed limit detection and phantom breaking in my Tesla has only gotten worse the last year, or do FSD improvements not trickle down to non-FSD?

It's disingenuous to make this kind of claim without stating what version you are using.

Re: Tesla FSD head to head against Mercedes Driver Assist on the same road [video]

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Post by [deleted] »

rapsey wrote: post #23
viraptor wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I couldn't actually find the amount of data that Tesla uses for training, but I'm curious: how much is it, and is it larger than what comma.ai has?

They can use every Tesla vehicle for training. They definitely have more data than anyone.

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Re: Tesla FSD head to head against Mercedes Driver Assist on the same road [video]

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Post by dawnerd »

accrual wrote: post #15

I was surprised to see so many driver interventions on the Mercedes side - 44 vs 0 by the end of the 20 minute video. Maybe that's why it's branded "Driver Assist" and not FSD, so not a true comparison. Also, a little funny to see a random Model Y appear just ahead of the Mercedes at the end of the video.

It’s hard to tell but looks like a lot of those interventions were just him accidentally taking it out because he was keeping his hands off. And because of his bias and comfort with FSD would let the Tesla get away with more.

Re: Tesla FSD head to head against Mercedes Driver Assist on the same road [video]

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Post by [deleted] »

jfoster wrote: post #13
ethagknight wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Had you watched the video before commenting, you would know the point of the video is that Consumer Reports gave Mercedes self driving a much higher rating than Tesla. Video shows how awful the Mercedes software really is

Consumer Reports must have done similar tests to what is seen in the video (eg. just driving with these systems), yet they came out with the result that they did. What happened there?

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Re: Tesla FSD head to head against Mercedes Driver Assist on the same road [video]

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Post by throwaway11460 »

Larrikin wrote: post #20
facialwipe wrote: post #6

Tesla has spent more billions on ML than any corporation in the world. I can’t wait to book my first FSD robotaxi ride at some point in the next decade.

You can book a robotaxi now with Waymo. Tesla has been promising that for years. Tesla may have been first to seriously try but currently there's no evidence they will be first in anything compared to their competitors.

Tesla promised to make your own car a robotaxi, which is very different from stringently controlled Waymo cars. Tesla has to deal with customers doing stupid shit with their cars.

Re: Tesla FSD head to head against Mercedes Driver Assist on the same road [video]

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Post by kibwen »

demondemidi wrote: post #19

How do Mercedes and Tesla differ in terms of accountability when there is inevitably an accident? Tesla is known for turning off their assistance at the last possible moment in order to blame the driver. Mercedes assumes liability. Seems like that is the real debate. Tesla weasels and whines, Mercedes steps up.

Yes, this is the beginning and ending of the conversation.

If Tesla (or any other manufacturer) actually has faith in their implementation, they will accept legal liability for its actions.

Contrapositively, if Tesla (or any other manufacturer) do not accept legal liability for the actions of their autopilot, then they don't have faith in its implementation.

Everything else is irrelevant snake-oil marketing fluff. Put your money where your mouth is.

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