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Tesla FSD head to head against Mercedes Driver Assist on the same road [video]

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Re: Tesla FSD head to head against Mercedes Driver Assist on the same road [video]

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Post by ajross »

Almondsetat wrote: post #9

Doesn't Mercedes guarantee level 3 only on certain stretches of road? Shouldn't a better comparison take place there?

Not just the road. Drive Pilot is a radar based following technology. It won't drive on open roads at all, it can only follow a car in front of you that it has affirmatively detected on radar (the point being to eliminate the false positives that radar is known for). If it changes lanes or gets too far ahead the system will disengage. Likewise there's a speed limit of 60kph or somesuch, etc...

It's mostly a stunt, basically. It's an answer to "What's the fastest path to SAE Level 3 in any context", not "How to engineer an autonomous driving solution?"

Re: Tesla FSD head to head against Mercedes Driver Assist on the same road [video]

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Post by mg »

Unless there is a change in how autonomous driving software is trained, it seems Tesla is destined to dominate that market, right?

Tesla has the most training data consisting of video input + corresponding driver behavior. And they have the most compute power.

Which twist of fate could happen, so that Tesla falls behind in the future?

I could imagine that there is an invention which lets AI learn about the world by just observing and thinking. Without the need for "training" in the form of "if you see this, do this". But as far as I know, this is not on the horizon yet.

Re: Tesla FSD head to head against Mercedes Driver Assist on the same road [video]

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Post by jfoster »

ethagknight wrote: post #5
resource_waste wrote: post #2

Mercedes? Pick an easier competition? As much as European cars have a favorable reputation among American consumers: They are awful! If you do benchmarking, you are going to find European cars have lots of appearance parts that are high quality, but the actual components are poor. A more realistic comparison would be to compare Tesla vs Ford or GM. These are 3 companies that have similar tech/culture standards. This…

Had you watched the video before commenting, you would know the point of the video is that Consumer Reports gave Mercedes self driving a much higher rating than Tesla. Video shows how awful the Mercedes software really is

Consumer Reports must have done similar tests to what is seen in the video (eg. just driving with these systems), yet they came out with the result that they did. What happened there?

Re: Tesla FSD head to head against Mercedes Driver Assist on the same road [video]

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Post by cs702 »

By many accounts, Tesla FSD has improved rapidly, now feels "very human," and will soon have greater adoption than any other self-driving software.[a]

Speaking from personal experience, I've tested the most recent version of Supervised FSD, v12.3.6, and it's much better than most people realize.

Once Tesla stops requiring human supervision, I expect FSD adoption rate to go "hockey-stick."

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[a] Based on a conversion rate for Tesla "Supervised FSD" free trials of ~2%: https://old.reddit.com/r/RealTesla/comments/1cp5pgj/tsla_fsd...

Re: Tesla FSD head to head against Mercedes Driver Assist on the same road [video]

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Post by accrual »

I was surprised to see so many driver interventions on the Mercedes side - 44 vs 0 by the end of the 20 minute video. Maybe that's why it's branded "Driver Assist" and not FSD, so not a true comparison.

Also, a little funny to see a random Model Y appear just ahead of the Mercedes at the end of the video.

Re: Tesla FSD head to head against Mercedes Driver Assist on the same road [video]

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Post by 7sidedmarble »

mg wrote: post #12

Unless there is a change in how autonomous driving software is trained, it seems Tesla is destined to dominate that market, right? Tesla has the most training data consisting of video input + corresponding driver behavior. And they have the most compute power. Which twist of fate could happen, so that Tesla falls behind in the future? I could imagine that there is an invention which lets AI learn about the world by j…

That visual sensors only seem like they make no sense when they can get obstructed by weather

Re: Tesla FSD head to head against Mercedes Driver Assist on the same road [video]

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Post by viraptor »

mg wrote: post #12

Unless there is a change in how autonomous driving software is trained, it seems Tesla is destined to dominate that market, right? Tesla has the most training data consisting of video input + corresponding driver behavior. And they have the most compute power. Which twist of fate could happen, so that Tesla falls behind in the future? I could imagine that there is an invention which lets AI learn about the world by j…

I couldn't actually find the amount of data that Tesla uses for training, but I'm curious: how much is it, and is it larger than what comma.ai has?

Re: Tesla FSD head to head against Mercedes Driver Assist on the same road [video]

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Post by demondemidi »

How do Mercedes and Tesla differ in terms of accountability when there is inevitably an accident? Tesla is known for turning off their assistance at the last possible moment in order to blame the driver. Mercedes assumes liability.

Seems like that is the real debate. Tesla weasels and whines, Mercedes steps up.

Re: Tesla FSD head to head against Mercedes Driver Assist on the same road [video]

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Post by Larrikin »

facialwipe wrote: post #6

Tesla has spent more billions on ML than any corporation in the world. I can’t wait to book my first FSD robotaxi ride at some point in the next decade.

You can book a robotaxi now with Waymo. Tesla has been promising that for years.

Tesla may have been first to seriously try but currently there's no evidence they will be first in anything compared to their competitors.

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