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Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by exe34 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #194
exe34 wrote: post #190

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> gay marriage is illegal Is that the bar now? Gay people get thrown from buildings next door in Gaza and they get strung up from a crane in Iran. On that basis, as a gay man, I'd much rather let Israel "trot out the rainbow flags" than take my chances with their enemies.

> Gay people get thrown from buildings next door in Gaza and they get strung up from a crane in Iran Nobody argued Hamas, Iran or even the Palestinian people, are liberal.

Nobody claimed rain fell upwards either.

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Post by jolj »

bentley wrote: post #143
yonixw wrote: post #121

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> Words are not knifes. People eventually will adapt to lies and weird things. And truth will find a way. I really see it differently that both ends are equally bad. After all, on the same night that the BBC announced 500 dead after the "bombing" at a hospital in Gaza, which turned out to be a Hamas missile that fell and killed at most 50 there... crowds took to the streets and created a threat to Israeli embassies a…

Correction: a PIJ rocket, not a Hamas rocket.

And it is different how? the point being is that incident was falsely blamed on the IDF while it was a Palestinian rocket misfire

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Post by Gibbon1 »

TaylorAlexander wrote: post #986
Gibbon1 wrote: post #966

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https://chomsky.info/19770625/

Bit of a busy day for me so I asked ChatGPT so summarize and explain the author’s position on the Khmer Rouge. “The text is an interview with Noam Chomsky discussing the Khmer Rouge regime in Cambodia. Chomsky critiques Western media's portrayal of the Khmer Rouge, arguing that it's exaggerated and ignores broader historical context, particularly U.S. involvement. He suggests that atrocities attributed to the Khmer R…

Go believe what you want then, that's what Chompsky does.

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Post by hnfong »

atlantic wrote: post #295
exe34 wrote: post #199

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It's quite usual to ban the enemy from inciting dissidence from your own population during a war.

Yes, propaganda is acceptable during a war, and censorship is a part of that. But Europe is not at war with Russia. They are simply giving material support to one of the belligerents. Outside the context of a declared war, censorship should not happen in so-called democratic societies.

TikTok agrees.

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Post by Wolfenstein98k »

aprilthird2021 wrote: post #976
Wolfenstein98k wrote: post #953

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If the leaders do so based on majority opinion, that is democratic. Too many people - usually Americans - confuse liberal democracy with democracy. Liberal democracy is a phrase for a reason - and the liberal comes first for a reason!

If the leaders install autocracy based on majority opinion is that democratic? Because you're essentially describing the government of Iran at that point, led by a Supreme Leader who cannot be voted out, e.g. a very undemocratic system. Just because people vote for something doesn't make the thing they voted for democratic. Historically people have voted to install a non-democratic government before.

Yes, democracy can vote to end itself and replace itself with autocracy.

If not, it's not democracy! You're deciding to overrule the demos and enforce your minority opinion!

I know it seems like pedantry but we shouldn't confuse liberalism with democracy.

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Post by aprilthird2021 »

Beefin wrote: post #979
aprilthird2021 wrote: post #890

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Israel currently denies the right to vote to more people that its government controls the lives of than it grants the right to vote for. This is because it wants to be both a Jewish (demography-first) and democratic (equal-representaition-first) state. I'm very aware of why this is the case and the history. This is the current case on the ground. Palestinians do not have their own state (according to Israel), so they…

Israel's government administers several territories with different legal statuses for their inhabitants: Israeli citizens, including Arabs, Jews, and others within the borders recognized internationally as Israel, all have the right to vote. Residents of East Jerusalem, mostly Palestinians, are typically offered permanent residency status but not citizenship. They have the right to apply for citizenship, though it in…

Yeah that's pretty much what I said, Palestinians are basically not in their own state and not voting citizens of Israel but controlled by Israel and the majority of native born people living under Israeli rule

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Post by mbs159 »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #865
oefrha wrote: post #590

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Damn that was a difficult read. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wael_Al-Dahdouh 2023-10-28: Wife, 15-year-old son, 7-year-old daughter, a grandson and seven other relatives killed in strike on refugee camp. 2023-12-15: Wounded by missile during filming, cameraman fatally wounded and bled to death with ambulances cut off. 2024-01-07: Eldest son, a journalist, killed in air strike. 2024-01-08: Two nephews killed. 2024-01…

I know it's a bit unrelated to this exact person, but this is how you get terrorists. Imagine some foreign worker in europe/us, losing all his family this way until s/he literally has nothing left to lose, while the politicians in your new country brag about helping the killers of your family with more weapons and money. Then when someone like that decides to bring the "war" to europe/us, and shoots/bombs/... some pe…

Gaza is being leveled to the ground, and thousands of innocent people are killed. Many of the boys who witness that will become terrorists when they grow up, because from their perspective and lack of education - it seems right to respond to violence with violence.

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Post by liopleurodon »

Maken wrote: post #388
liopleurodon wrote: post #338

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It's part of the EU sanctions, EU ISPs are required to block certain Russian sites. But they didn't specify how, that's left up to the countries to figure out afaik. But as you say, some of the what has been done barely qualifies. Here's my personal experience with this: Germany does exactly what you describe, the bare minimum to say "we're blocking" --- DNS omitting certain sites. Spain is doing deep packet inspecti…

It is still perfectly possible to access RT from Spain, even using regular ISP DNS servers.

That's not my experience with Movistar, they are throwing down the gauntlet

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Post by csdreamer7 »

jcranmer wrote: post #488
csdreamer7 wrote: post #379

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> Can you openly call for the murder of in the US under the protection of the first amendment ? You can not. Inciting violence and calls for criminal action is a well establish limit of the First Amendment, but that is not what they are doing from what I gathered in this thread. From the poster a few levels above: > In the case of Israel, the Middle-Eastern unit were literally showing videos demanding further uprisin…

> You can not. Inciting violence and calls for criminal action is a well establish limit of the First Amendment, but that is not what they are doing from what I gathered in this thread. Brandenburg v Ohio (the current standard for what constitutes incitement) literally says your free speech rights run up to and include advocacy for violent overthrow of the government. The limitation it establishes is "incitement to i…

Learned something new. Thank you.
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