Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm sure there are articles discussing the point, but I wonder why citizen-facing scales don't use more linear representations for things.
Linear scales usually don't have an intuitive upper limit that people can understand ("is 10000 bad?"). Citizen-facing scales should optimally go from 0 (no concern) to 10 (either world-shattering event or highest value ever observed). Due to the nature of how many natural disasters scale in impact on humans, this will often result in an logarithmic scale.
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#302Earlier quoted context omitted.
Uuuuh I have a flight today 8pm CT . What will this mean for airplanes?
Nothing consequential for a single flight. Even crew really don't have to worry about it until it gets to very high levels, according to the NOAA scales
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#303A science presenter mentioned that the sunspots were supposed visible without magnification using eclipse glasses.
I see one right now near the bottom limb (observing from North America). It's been slowly moving to right the last few days as the sun rotates. I'm using cheap eclipse glasses.
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#304Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't know if it's related but my phone's screen was flickering earlier.
That’s highly unlikely to have a CME as a root cause unless it was connected to long distance transmission lines. CMEs tend not to affect small electronics on their own.
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#305Earlier quoted context omitted.
Also good at response. Ozone situation was fixed and now we actually track the asteroids.
Kind of tired of hearing this. Citing one initiative from 50 years ago is the definition of cherry picking, I'm sorry. The trend is that humans are incapable of long term global initiatives. I'm sure some game theory guy could prove it.
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#306Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's just the anthropic principle for you: If we'd have been any less lucky, we wouldn't be here to write about it :)
I think you miss the point s/he's making: back in the 90's we were much less reliant on computers than today, much more cash based. It would have been a wake-up call, today it would be a calamity.
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#307Should I disconnect my computer from the grid at this point? (I'm using a UPS with built-in power surge protection but I'd rather not test it in prod.)
CMEs do not directly affect electronics. Charged particles simply do not reach the surface. They instead distort the geomagnetic field, and the changing magnetic field induces voltage. But the Earth's magnetic field is pretty weak, so the voltage becomes significant only for very large circuits. Such as transmission lines or old-style telegraph lines.
Also, the global electric circuit is affected by CMEs which affects all electric systems on the planet, to some degree.
While it's true that Earth’s atmosphere and magnetic field shield the surface from most direct particle impacts, the main effect of CMEs come instead from their effect on the electromagnetics of Earth.
For example, these disturbances can induce currents in the Earth itself and even in biological systems, which are sensitive to electromagnetic changes.
This can affect everything from power grids to navigation systems and even animal migration patterns. So, while individual electronic devices might not be directly fried by a CME, they can still be affected by the impact, as well as the broader electrical and biological systems on Earth.
To put it another way: while these particles themselves may not reach the surface, their effects certainly do. The interaction of these particles with the Earth's magnetic field can lead to geomagnetic storms and disturbances that indirectly affect the surface through induced currents, as previously mentioned. These interactions can influence electrical grids and even have subtler effects on biological systems. Thus, the primary impact of CMEs at the surface comes from the electromagnetic fluctuations they cause, rather than from direct contact with the charged particles.
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#308Can you really call yourself a prepper if you don’t have a faraday cage with a spare laptop inside? (The intersection of doomerism and tech is amusingly cyberpunk sometimes.) Actually, what’s the most useful way you’d prepare for a worldwide grid outage? This isn’t that, but sometimes I wonder if a future CME might be as catastrophic as some say.
It's the same as asking: how would you prepare if you were to travel back in time to 600 CE?
You need to be self-sufficient. You cannot rely on money for at least 18 months. You need to be somewhere with access to water, shelter and food. And not that many people. The only safe bet is to have an off grid 'bunker' or holiday home that you could ride out the global chaos for 2 years.
Worldwide grid outage is pretty low likelihood but if it happens everyone will be reminded of the worst aspects of human nature, and the cruel indifference of nature pretty fast.
Also, gasoline.
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#309Earlier quoted context omitted.
Also good at response. Ozone situation was fixed and now we actually track the asteroids.
Kind of tired of hearing this. Citing one initiative from 50 years ago is the definition of cherry picking, I'm sorry. The trend is that humans are incapable of long term global initiatives. I'm sure some game theory guy could prove it.
”We can’t do this” is both inaccurate and harmfull. I believe ”We are not currently fixing this” and ”there is a need for stronger political alignment” are the more accurate descriptions of the current malaise.