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Re: Polestar eliminates the rear window in latest electric car

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Post by dieselgate »

toast0 wrote: post #17
culturestate wrote: post #8

Driving without a rear window isn’t a big deal - see, for example, nearly every cargo delivery van on Earth. I have to imagine the stubborn refusal to add standard physical controls back to the cockpit has more potential for trouble than an impeded rear view. I wonder if there’s NHTSA data on this specifically for passenger cars? Maybe incidents caused by blocking the driver’s rear view (with furniture or people or w…

> Driving without a rear window isn’t a big deal - see, for example, nearly every cargo delivery van on Earth. Yeah, it's totally fine, as long as you have both side mirrors. It'd be nice if they put bigger mirrors on the side if they're killing the rear window though. Although they're pushing a screen to replace the mirror, I guess. I haven't used one of those in a while, but I did have a rental with a screen / mirr…

The “long as you have both side mirrors” is kind of interesting nuance. My 1980 civic back in the day only had driver side mirror from the factory which seems common-enough in older cars - it isn’t totally necessary anyway if there’s visibility. assume modern cars would only lack them if it’s damaged or similar.

Re: Polestar eliminates the rear window in latest electric car

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Post by drdaeman »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #23
discordance wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aside from regulation, I've had a few (rare) occurences in a Tesla where it's lagged or a camera has glitched out for a few seconds. Those few seconds could be critical on a road at speed.

Strange mental leap. Are you speeding in reverse?

If someone (a kid, or a pet) suddenly appears right behind you, a single second could be crucial, even if you are backing at 1 mph.

Re: Polestar eliminates the rear window in latest electric car

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Post by beretguy »

nozzlegear wrote: post #28
surfingdino wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or, they could "solve" it by installing extra screens on the walls showing ads for package holidays. Of course, that would raise the temperature inside, but it's something that could be solved with extra AC, which would need large batteries and more frequent stops, but that could be solved by... seems to be the way of "innovation" these days, we no longer fix what's broken, but break what works and charge extra for i…

Are you inventing dystopian scenarios just so you can be angry, or do you have access to Polestar's internal plans?

There’s no need to invent anything. We are already living in dystopia.

Re: Polestar eliminates the rear window in latest electric car

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Post by jamiek88 »

philjohn wrote: post #26
tra3 wrote: post #13

First, they came for my volume knob and I didn’t speak out..

That's why I love my EV6 - physical knobs.

My ev6 is my fav car I’ve ever owned and when I was young and stupid I had some very nice cars some of them almost three times the price.

Re: Polestar eliminates the rear window in latest electric car

#35

Post by Toutouxc »

yumraj wrote: post #22

Two comments: 1) Driver's rear view is solved by using a camera, but what about rear passengers. Rear window provides natural light to come in. It might get pretty dark inside without it. 2) How will it impact the DMV driving test? In a recent driving test for a kid, the instructor explicitly said that if the kid reversed by looking at the camera view in the screen, she will fail the kid. With this car, there is no r…

> if the kid reversed by looking at the camera view in the screen, she will fail the kid

That's interesting, my compact sedan doesn't have a camera, and you can still see something in the rear view mirror, so I feel perfectly comfortable reversing into tight spaces or over longer distances.

Sometimes I drive rentals (different Toyotas) that have cameras, and I vastly prefer the camera for reversing. When leaving a parking spot, you can immediately see the cars in the lane you're reversing into. You can see directly behind the rear bumper (kids, dogs, forgotten baggage). Running over someone's kid in a busy parking lot is something I'm really terrified of, and the camera eases my mind a lot.

Re: Polestar eliminates the rear window in latest electric car

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Post by bad_username »

yumraj wrote: post #22

Two comments: 1) Driver's rear view is solved by using a camera, but what about rear passengers. Rear window provides natural light to come in. It might get pretty dark inside without it. 2) How will it impact the DMV driving test? In a recent driving test for a kid, the instructor explicitly said that if the kid reversed by looking at the camera view in the screen, she will fail the kid. With this car, there is no r…

Maybe its not a big difference long term, but a camera is 2D, whereas a mirror provides a 3D image with depth, allowing to assess distances naturally. It also has a much better resolution and dynamic range, works much better in the dark, etc.

Re: Polestar eliminates the rear window in latest electric car

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Post by surfingdino »

nozzlegear wrote: post #28
surfingdino wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or, they could "solve" it by installing extra screens on the walls showing ads for package holidays. Of course, that would raise the temperature inside, but it's something that could be solved with extra AC, which would need large batteries and more frequent stops, but that could be solved by... seems to be the way of "innovation" these days, we no longer fix what's broken, but break what works and charge extra for i…

Are you inventing dystopian scenarios just so you can be angry, or do you have access to Polestar's internal plans?

I am not angry, I just observe trends that started with the realisation that raw materials can be sold for more if they are transformed into products. The unbound inventiveness of the human race never ceases to amaze me, but I also see how some of it develops along paths that result in solutions which are overly complex and require even more complex solutions to "fix" them.

Re: Polestar eliminates the rear window in latest electric car

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Post by tired-turtle »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #23
discordance wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aside from regulation, I've had a few (rare) occurences in a Tesla where it's lagged or a camera has glitched out for a few seconds. Those few seconds could be critical on a road at speed.

Strange mental leap. Are you speeding in reverse?

Consider the case where you are driving slowly and you notice a car speeding at your rear with what appears to be no intention of stopping.

A mirror allows you to quickly judge the velocity of the other vehicle so you can consider moving out of its way to avoid a collision. There’s too much lag and uncertainty with a rear-view camera.

Re: Polestar eliminates the rear window in latest electric car

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Post by dgan »

blendo wrote: post #20

OT: carbuzz.com estimated its curb weight as about 5,500 lbs. That’s good when you’re driving 80mph on the freeway, but way too big around town. I’d like to see drivers in US cities have the option for something smaller, like Renault’s new Duo, the replacement for the Twizy: https://insideevs.com/news/615402/renault-mobilize-duo-is-ne...

>> all-electric quadricycle that will be offered on subscription or long-term leases only

Lol finally! Auto industry catching up with the latest and greatest software trend!

Re: Polestar eliminates the rear window in latest electric car

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Post by lancebeet »

dieselgate wrote: post #31
toast0 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Driving without a rear window isn’t a big deal - see, for example, nearly every cargo delivery van on Earth. Yeah, it's totally fine, as long as you have both side mirrors. It'd be nice if they put bigger mirrors on the side if they're killing the rear window though. Although they're pushing a screen to replace the mirror, I guess. I haven't used one of those in a while, but I did have a rental with a screen / mirr…

The “long as you have both side mirrors” is kind of interesting nuance. My 1980 civic back in the day only had driver side mirror from the factory which seems common-enough in older cars - it isn’t totally necessary anyway if there’s visibility. assume modern cars would only lack them if it’s damaged or similar.

I think driving a car without a curb side mirror would be frowned upon in countries with a lot of bicycle traffic.
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