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Re: Tesla is being investigated for securities and wire fraud for self-driving claim

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Spare me with this; one of Musk's very first major actions was removing an account he didn't like (and had previously committed to leaving alone! https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456 ) because it was tweeting publicly available ADS-B data his plane was broadcasting... and then went on a tear banning journalists tweeting about it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/December_2022_Twitter_suspensi...

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Re: Tesla is being investigated for securities and wire fraud for self-driving claim

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Spare me with this; one of Musk's very first major actions was removing an account he didn't like (and had previously committed to leaving alone! https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456 ) because it was tweeting publicly available ADS-B data his plane was broadcasting... and then went on a tear banning journalists tweeting about it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/December_2022_Twitter_suspensi...

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> "It was fine when we did it, and cooperated with intel agencies to do it, but HE shouldn't be able to!!"

He has every right to do it. He promised not to, and you're still claiming he isn't. That hypocrisy is very apparent.

Re: Tesla is being investigated for securities and wire fraud for self-driving claim

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Spare me with this; one of Musk's very first major actions was removing an account he didn't like (and had previously committed to leaving alone! https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456 ) because it was tweeting publicly available ADS-B data his plane was broadcasting... and then went on a tear banning journalists tweeting about it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/December_2022_Twitter_suspensi...

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Re: Tesla is being investigated for securities and wire fraud for self-driving claim

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"It's almost ready" is a claim about the product at the time of sale.

"Almost ready" as a claim is pretty meaningless. It's a statement of feature status, not a prediction of when 100% completion occurs. In software, "almost" can last years or decades.

In 2019:“ I think we will be feature-complete full self-driving this year, meaning the car will be able to find you in a parking lot, pick you up, take you all the way to your destination without an intervention — this year. I would say that I am certain of that. That is not a question mark." [1].

[1] https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-doubles-down-on-cl...

Re: Tesla is being investigated for securities and wire fraud for self-driving claim

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> "It was fine when we did it, and cooperated with intel agencies to do it, but HE shouldn't be able to!!" He has every right to do it. He promised not to, and you're still claiming he isn't . That hypocrisy is very apparent.

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Re: Tesla is being investigated for securities and wire fraud for self-driving claim

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Absolutely. If Martha Stewart went to jail for much less, a certain CEO[1] should be doing some hard time for ludicrous claims over the past 8 years. Some back-of-the-napkin-math: If we focus on the 4m Model 3 (& Y) vehicles sold that had these claims attached and assume that there was a peak uptake rate of 46% declining to 11% as these claims became obviously untrue. On FSD @ an ever-increasing price of $6000-$12000…

We all need to remember Musk wasn't the founder. He was an early investor that forced the founders out. We can argue about whether the founders would have been more/less successful but he didn't found Tesla.

[https://www.theverge.com/23815634/tesla-elon-musk-origin-fou...]

Re: Tesla is being investigated for securities and wire fraud for self-driving claim

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And after years of publicly looking like a lying car salesman, why would he still listen to those employees? I don’t think it’s the line employees that are lying here.

The way I understood it went down for the CEO: 1. Made optimistic claims about future product. 2. Some of the people tasked with implementation disagreed about optimistic claim. 3. Those people got fired for underperforming. 4. All people on the team tasked with implementation agree with optimistic claim. 5. Doubled down on the promise. Repeat every year. I can't see how a CEO could be blamed in this scenario, as cle…

The CEO is still responsible for their own employees, CEO hired them or directed them to be hired, the CEO (especially this CEO) runs the company.

Lying about features or the number of cars being produced etc. can't be limited to mere optimism because they mentioned specific numbers in a public way that were not true.

> fired for underperforming

The irony, since Musk destroys every brand and product he's ever touched. I've never seen a more polar opposite to the Midas effect at work. It has to be intentional.

Re: Tesla is being investigated for securities and wire fraud for self-driving claim

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Spare me with this; one of Musk's very first major actions was removing an account he didn't like (and had previously committed to leaving alone! https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456 ) because it was tweeting publicly available ADS-B data his plane was broadcasting... and then went on a tear banning journalists tweeting about it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/December_2022_Twitter_suspensi...

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No actual stalker is going to be troubled by the @ElonJet ban. (I'm not sure who "the most actively violent faction in the country" is.)

It's on other platforms and the plane publicly broadcasts its location. https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a2ae0a

Re: Tesla is being investigated for securities and wire fraud for self-driving claim

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> "It was fine when we did it, and cooperated with intel agencies to do it, but HE shouldn't be able to!!" He has every right to do it. He promised not to, and you're still claiming he isn't . That hypocrisy is very apparent.

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Re: Tesla is being investigated for securities and wire fraud for self-driving claim

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> "It was fine when we did it, and cooperated with intel agencies to do it, but HE shouldn't be able to!!" He has every right to do it. He promised not to, and you're still claiming he isn't . That hypocrisy is very apparent.

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If silencing dissent is not acceptable, you should demonstrably be mad at Musk.
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