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Re: Redesigned 11-inch and new 13-inch iPad Air

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Post by sircastor » Tue, May 07, 2024, 4:01 PM UTC

troupo wrote: post #63

sircastor wrote: post #16

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Apple has a practice in the last decade or so, of bumping its older products into a lower price-point alongside the newer hardware. This is a win for everyone as near as I can tell - The lower priced devices bring more people in. Apple gets to keep using existing tooling for manufacturer. Owners of these products from their initial release can reasonably expect longer support. Also, tangentially and not at all seriou…

For iPad alone there are 6 iPad versions now. And 4 Apple Pencils. It's already on Performa level. Similar things happen to iPhone (4 overlapping nearly identical models every year for a total of 7 currently being sold) and Macbooks (any number of models any given year, they are currently selling 5)

I apologize for being pedantic here, but we're nowhere near Performa-level confusion. There were 70 distinct models of Macintosh Performa between 1992 and 1997 when the last Performa was shipped. What is the difference between the Performa 635, 636, 637, and 638... SKUs, I guess?

There was a model of Performa that sold for literally 2 weeks (the Performa 410). Apple sold the same series of computer under different names: The Performa 630, LC 630, and Quadra 630 are all the same machine.

I agree that Apple has a real naming problem (is this an X as in 'ex' or X as in '10'?) but I really don't find the iPad line up to be that confusing. There are 2 sizes of iPad Pro, 2 sizes of iPad Air, an iPad and an iPad mini.

Re: Redesigned 11-inch and new 13-inch iPad Air

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Post by gherkinnn » Tue, May 07, 2024, 4:01 PM UTC

trwhite wrote: post #52

Gah. So it looks and functions more or less like the last one, albeit a bit faster? Consumer tech is so boring - Nobody dares do something even a little different

Apple Vision Pro, Rabbit, and Humane Pin are three recent customer tech toys that dared to be even a little different.

The AVP is an expensive tech demo and the other two AI bubble stillbirths, but that was not what you were looking for.

Re: Redesigned 11-inch and new 13-inch iPad Air

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Post by mason55 » Tue, May 07, 2024, 4:03 PM UTC

alistairSH wrote: post #32

vrosas wrote: post #22

I used some WFH budget on an iPad Air and a pencil thinking it would be great for taking notes and diagramming things but it’s mostly been useless. The UX of mirroring from my laptop to draw things has been a buggy mess in every app I’ve tried. The device has been relegated to a screen for watching movies on during flights.

Why are you trying to mirror and not just draw in native apps? Not claiming you're wrong, just wondering what apps/workflow you're using, since "drawing" is pretty good on the iPad.

I'll echo what the other reply said. I wanted to use it like a digital whiteboard in meetings, but the flow just isn't there.

Yes, drawing on it in isolation is great, but it hasn't otherwise worked out like I hoped.

Re: Redesigned 11-inch and new 13-inch iPad Air

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Post by 6gvONxR4sf7o » Tue, May 07, 2024, 4:03 PM UTC

mikestew wrote: post #2

So, a new M4 chip, up to 10 cores and all kinds of other hotness...yet Apple is still going to treat the iPad with all its big boy computer parts as just a toy computer incapable of compiling code or even giving me a terminal window, let alone run macOS apps. Our house is chocked full of Apple gear, but the idea of spending a cool $1000 on a neutered consumption device gets less appealing with each generation.

Another aspect that's frustrating: only one user per device!

Re: Redesigned 11-inch and new 13-inch iPad Air

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Post by numpad0 » Tue, May 07, 2024, 4:22 PM UTC

itsoktocry wrote: post #25

alephnerd wrote: post #7

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Conversely, I really like using my iPad Pro as a daily driver (eg. Slides, light blogging, Notion, reading, Zoom, Slack, etc) as most of my core apps and usecases are either PWAs or Apps already. And I think this is the target demographic of the iPad - either creative types (eg. designers or musicians) or executives (eg. Consultants, PMs, etc) who are not code driven but still need a workbook style environment. From…

> Conversely, I really like using my iPad Pro as a daily driver (eg. Slides, light blogging, Notion, reading, etc) a Which of those things requires an expensive, top-of-the-line tablet?

No offense to GP, but GP made me wonder if the creative side of the story is just a massive fluff to hide the fact that iPad are built for consultancy tasks first. Having to resort to a premium creator product because your job demands it sounds like an awesome justification for buying a tablet.

Re: Redesigned 11-inch and new 13-inch iPad Air

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Post by baggachipz » Tue, May 07, 2024, 4:35 PM UTC

multimoon wrote: post #69

Please Apple just let me run macOS apps and you’ll have my preorder.

I think this ought to do the trick for you: https://www.apple.com/macbook-air/

Re: Redesigned 11-inch and new 13-inch iPad Air

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Post by alephnerd » Tue, May 07, 2024, 4:47 PM UTC

numpad0 wrote: post #95

itsoktocry wrote: post #25

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> Conversely, I really like using my iPad Pro as a daily driver (eg. Slides, light blogging, Notion, reading, etc) a Which of those things requires an expensive, top-of-the-line tablet?

No offense to GP, but GP made me wonder if the creative side of the story is just a massive fluff to hide the fact that iPad are built for consultancy tasks first. Having to resort to a premium creator product because your job demands it sounds like an awesome justification for buying a tablet.

> built for consultancy tasks first

Consultancies (MBB) tend to cheap out and give Thinkbooks and Product teams tend to get a bottom spec MacBook at work.

Re: Redesigned 11-inch and new 13-inch iPad Air

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Post by mynameisvlad » Tue, May 07, 2024, 4:49 PM UTC

jraph wrote: post #83

mynameisvlad wrote: post #40

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You’re blasting Apple for their obsolescence? The company that has gone out of their way to support phones and tablets _far_ longer than their competitors? Okay, Jan.

On Android, support time is insanely crap. But when Apple support does end, it's game over. I picked up an iPad 2 (from 2011), it's perfectly capable hardware, although a bit slow, but it's only usable for browsing HN and viewing PDFs because one can't upgrade the goddam browser or install an alternative one. Updates ended in 2015, mostly. I could upgrade a One Plus X released in 2015 to Android 7 (Lineage 14.1). An…

You just compared a tablet from 2011 with a phone from 2015. That's a pretty apples to oranges comparison.

How available are Lineage OSes to Android tablets from 2011?

Re: Redesigned 11-inch and new 13-inch iPad Air

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Post by drcongo » Tue, May 07, 2024, 4:54 PM UTC

wslh wrote: post #80

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It's only well received in scammer and grifter circles though.

Because you don't live in Argentina though. Web3 was just an example. Also remember that Coinbase was a YC startup. You comment basically proves the point of this thread! Everyone lives in their own echo chamber.

Cryptocurrencies aren't really "Web3" though are they. Web3 is all the absolute rot that people have tried to glue onto a blockchain just so they can tick a buzzword box. NFTs are still a scam, even in Argentina.

Re: Redesigned 11-inch and new 13-inch iPad Air

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Post by alanwreath » Tue, May 07, 2024, 5:00 PM UTC

blipmusic wrote: post #74

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It’s funny seeing the disconnect between the HN community and the creator communities. The creator communities at ecstatic about this. The HN community seems to have difficult seeing uses outside their own niches. There are tons of types of “Pros”. The entire event was art focused. It’s not a toy for the artistic crowd.

> There are tons of types of “Pros”. Regardless of our personal professional affinities the only reason iPadOS stays locked down is that it's simply more profitable to sell a customer two devices instead of just one. I would love to have an iPad Pro as my only home computer, but it's just not doable due to its OS limitations. The artistic angle is just Apple's way to make the platform believable. Why would an artist…

This 100%.

For the brief stint I had the Vision Pro, I was so confused Apple made sharing it so hard(and it really isn’t shared - it’s just there for the free taste because it is timelimit locked). But after a little thought it clicked:

Apple only loves the idea of the VisionPro if it means you never share.

Apple has always been a walled garden, so when the iPhone imposed it nobody blinked(there are/were tradeoffs, ok). But ever since the iPod, Apple has been all about the personal device. No more multiuser anything:

- iPod - iWatch - iPhone - iPad

It becomes super obvious what the “i” really stands for when you realize it was for a single person.

and now spatial computing, this new era where actual business is supposed to happen

- VisionPro

Even though the “i” isn’t there, it really should be. The power of cohesion between these devices is one of wonder. But the cohesion could still exist with standards. What we have with Apple is bad for the customer and any innovation outside apples limited interests.

I wish Britain would have went for the head and after the innovation stifling instead of the stupid port forcing. Also an innovation stifler.