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Re: Redesigned 11-inch and new 13-inch iPad Air

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Post by [deleted] »

alistairSH wrote: post #29
mikestew wrote: post #2

So, a new M4 chip, up to 10 cores and all kinds of other hotness...yet Apple is still going to treat the iPad with all its big boy computer parts as just a toy computer incapable of compiling code or even giving me a terminal window, let alone run macOS apps. Our house is chocked full of Apple gear, but the idea of spending a cool $1000 on a neutered consumption device gets less appealing with each generation.

the idea of spending a cool $1000 on a neutered consumption device Neutered because you can't side-load apps or use it as a dev machine? That's a pretty limited use-case overall. I have an M1 iPad Pro and it's great for moderate photo editing (Photomator or Adobe) and basic "office" stuff.

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Re: Redesigned 11-inch and new 13-inch iPad Air

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Post by Teever »

dagmx wrote: post #23
mikestew wrote: post #2

So, a new M4 chip, up to 10 cores and all kinds of other hotness...yet Apple is still going to treat the iPad with all its big boy computer parts as just a toy computer incapable of compiling code or even giving me a terminal window, let alone run macOS apps. Our house is chocked full of Apple gear, but the idea of spending a cool $1000 on a neutered consumption device gets less appealing with each generation.

It’s funny seeing the disconnect between the HN community and the creator communities. The creator communities at ecstatic about this. The HN community seems to have difficult seeing uses outside their own niches. There are tons of types of “Pros”. The entire event was art focused. It’s not a toy for the artistic crowd.

Things are good yes. but they could always be better.

Imagine how much more they could be if the community of people who like to hack on open devices to create cool software for that community could do so.

What would Blender look like on a device like this?

How would the creator community feel if the hacker community was able to get side car sharing multiple screens so they could use 2 big ipad pros as screens on either side of their macbook pro and another ipad mini with an apple pencil as an input device?

Imagine a scenario where things like nextcloud had better system wide integration into the iOS and macOS ecosystem. I bet creative types would love the money they could save in cloud hosting from that.

Re: Redesigned 11-inch and new 13-inch iPad Air

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Post by jraph »

mynameisvlad wrote: post #40
Zambyte wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a toy after they stop updating it in a few years and you can no longer run new creative software for no good reason. In my book that makes it a toy today too.

You’re blasting Apple for their obsolescence? The company that has gone out of their way to support phones and tablets _far_ longer than their competitors? Okay, Jan.

On Android, support time is insanely crap.

But when Apple support does end, it's game over. I picked up an iPad 2 (from 2011), it's perfectly capable hardware, although a bit slow, but it's only usable for browsing HN and viewing PDFs because one can't upgrade the goddam browser or install an alternative one. Updates ended in 2015, mostly.

I could upgrade a One Plus X released in 2015 to Android 7 (Lineage 14.1). An old version, but everything is perfectly usable. Browsers are at their latest versions. Before this, the phone was on stock Android 6, the latest Firefox ran on it. Still bad, because there's no security upgrade, but unofficial builds for the latest versions of Lineage exist on this phone (they will never be official because the goddam kernel can't be upgraded, and newer versions are necessary to support features mandatory for being official, including the way disk encryption is managed).

Anyway, phones and tablets are in a sad state overall. They become e-waste way too soon. Android and iOS both have horrible support time. Not more than a few years of updates (with FairPhone probably being the best here, but still a few years). And anything else is pretty much unusable, at least for phones. In comparison, PCs can be upgraded pretty much forever, at least on Linux. Phone constructors are doing this to themselves through lack of standardization and vendor lock in, but I guess they are happy enough with the situation.

Re: Redesigned 11-inch and new 13-inch iPad Air

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Post by DamnInteresting »

stephc_int13 wrote: post #19

The only sustained use of tablets I've seen so far is a "computer" for kids. We have several tablets at home, including a few iPads, never used.

I have an iPad Pro that sees infrequent use, but when I do use it, it is excellent. Its primary purpose is making music (background music for a podcast), but on occasion I also use it to sketch out ideas, and sometimes to create polished illustrations. It's not great for everything, but it's amazing at a few things.

Re: Redesigned 11-inch and new 13-inch iPad Air

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Post by tgv »

etchalon wrote: post #66
stephc_int13 wrote: post #19

The only sustained use of tablets I've seen so far is a "computer" for kids. We have several tablets at home, including a few iPads, never used.

My wife uses hers (a Pro hand-me-down from me) for basically everything except her job, where she's forced to use a PC. Meanwhile, mine is basically a Plex machine.

Similar for me (except I've got an Android tablet for just displaying music). For many people who use web apps for daily tasks (admin), conferencing and one or two somewhat CPU intensive apps, or apps like Procreate, the iPad is perfect. For devs, it just doesn't work.

Re: Redesigned 11-inch and new 13-inch iPad Air

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Post by giancarlostoro »

mikestew wrote: post #2

So, a new M4 chip, up to 10 cores and all kinds of other hotness...yet Apple is still going to treat the iPad with all its big boy computer parts as just a toy computer incapable of compiling code or even giving me a terminal window, let alone run macOS apps. Our house is chocked full of Apple gear, but the idea of spending a cool $1000 on a neutered consumption device gets less appealing with each generation.

Yeah... They should have released the iPad Pro and the Macbook Pro with the M4 at the same time. I'm not interested in the M2 anymore. I really want a beefy Macbook Air, but I want it with a high quality processor.

Apple seemingly was recognizing that their userbase wanted more a few years back, and it feels like they're disorganized in this regard still.

Re: Redesigned 11-inch and new 13-inch iPad Air

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Post by filleokus »

alistairSH wrote: post #32
vrosas wrote: post #22

I used some WFH budget on an iPad Air and a pencil thinking it would be great for taking notes and diagramming things but it’s mostly been useless. The UX of mirroring from my laptop to draw things has been a buggy mess in every app I’ve tried. The device has been relegated to a screen for watching movies on during flights.

Why are you trying to mirror and not just draw in native apps? Not claiming you're wrong, just wondering what apps/workflow you're using, since "drawing" is pretty good on the iPad.

Not OP: But I've considered getting an iPad+Pencil to use as a digital whiteboard / tablet in meetings. My plan was to either AirPlay the screen to the Mac or use some app like Freeform that syncs sketches in real time and have the Mac app open.

I probably wanna jump quickly between e.g editor / terminal / website and the whiteboard, and sharing the iPad monitor directly by joining the call seems to heavy.

Re: Redesigned 11-inch and new 13-inch iPad Air

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Post by robertoandred »

Teever wrote: post #82
dagmx wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s funny seeing the disconnect between the HN community and the creator communities. The creator communities at ecstatic about this. The HN community seems to have difficult seeing uses outside their own niches. There are tons of types of “Pros”. The entire event was art focused. It’s not a toy for the artistic crowd.

Things are good yes. but they could always be better. Imagine how much more they could be if the community of people who like to hack on open devices to create cool software for that community could do so. What would Blender look like on a device like this? How would the creator community feel if the hacker community was able to get side car sharing multiple screens so they could use 2 big ipad pros as screens on eit…

Nothing's stopping Blender from releasing an iPadOS version.

Re: Redesigned 11-inch and new 13-inch iPad Air

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Post by soapdog »

mikestew wrote: post #2

So, a new M4 chip, up to 10 cores and all kinds of other hotness...yet Apple is still going to treat the iPad with all its big boy computer parts as just a toy computer incapable of compiling code or even giving me a terminal window, let alone run macOS apps. Our house is chocked full of Apple gear, but the idea of spending a cool $1000 on a neutered consumption device gets less appealing with each generation.

I posted this [1] couple years ago after seeing iPad comments on HN after WWDC. It was true then, and it is still true now.

[1]: https://andregarzia.com/2022/06/about-ipads-and-developers.h...

Re: Redesigned 11-inch and new 13-inch iPad Air

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Post by dagmx »

robertoandred wrote: post #88
Teever wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Things are good yes. but they could always be better. Imagine how much more they could be if the community of people who like to hack on open devices to create cool software for that community could do so. What would Blender look like on a device like this? How would the creator community feel if the hacker community was able to get side car sharing multiple screens so they could use 2 big ipad pros as screens on eit…

Nothing's stopping Blender from releasing an iPadOS version.

The GPL does unless they’re willing to dual license or only focus on the EU perhaps. GPL isn’t compatible with the App Store according to the FSF
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