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Redesigned 11-inch and new 13-inch iPad Air

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Re: Redesigned 11-inch and new 13-inch iPad Air

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Post by alephnerd »

bognition wrote: post #17
alephnerd wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Conversely, I really like using my iPad Pro as a daily driver (eg. Slides, light blogging, Notion, reading, Zoom, Slack, etc) as most of my core apps and usecases are either PWAs or Apps already. And I think this is the target demographic of the iPad - either creative types (eg. designers or musicians) or executives (eg. Consultants, PMs, etc) who are not code driven but still need a workbook style environment. From…

Do you have a physical keyboard mouse that you use?

I use the Logitech keyboard case with the trackpad. That and keybindings are good enough for my usecase (but tbf, I started my career as an Eng using Vim so keybindings are second nature to me)

Re: Redesigned 11-inch and new 13-inch iPad Air

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Post by vrosas »

I used some WFH budget on an iPad Air and a pencil thinking it would be great for taking notes and diagramming things but it’s mostly been useless. The UX of mirroring from my laptop to draw things has been a buggy mess in every app I’ve tried. The device has been relegated to a screen for watching movies on during flights.

Re: Redesigned 11-inch and new 13-inch iPad Air

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Post by dagmx »

mikestew wrote: post #2

So, a new M4 chip, up to 10 cores and all kinds of other hotness...yet Apple is still going to treat the iPad with all its big boy computer parts as just a toy computer incapable of compiling code or even giving me a terminal window, let alone run macOS apps. Our house is chocked full of Apple gear, but the idea of spending a cool $1000 on a neutered consumption device gets less appealing with each generation.

It’s funny seeing the disconnect between the HN community and the creator communities.

The creator communities at ecstatic about this. The HN community seems to have difficult seeing uses outside their own niches.

There are tons of types of “Pros”. The entire event was art focused. It’s not a toy for the artistic crowd.

Re: Redesigned 11-inch and new 13-inch iPad Air

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Post by frereubu »

ben_w wrote: post #6
mikestew wrote: post #2

So, a new M4 chip, up to 10 cores and all kinds of other hotness...yet Apple is still going to treat the iPad with all its big boy computer parts as just a toy computer incapable of compiling code or even giving me a terminal window, let alone run macOS apps. Our house is chocked full of Apple gear, but the idea of spending a cool $1000 on a neutered consumption device gets less appealing with each generation.

I'm also not in the target market, but it's definitely not "just a toy" simply because it's not suited for hackers like us.

Exactly. I know someone who runs their small company - set design for exhibitions and operas - off an iPad Pro.

Re: Redesigned 11-inch and new 13-inch iPad Air

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Post by itsoktocry »

alephnerd wrote: post #7
mikestew wrote: post #2

So, a new M4 chip, up to 10 cores and all kinds of other hotness...yet Apple is still going to treat the iPad with all its big boy computer parts as just a toy computer incapable of compiling code or even giving me a terminal window, let alone run macOS apps. Our house is chocked full of Apple gear, but the idea of spending a cool $1000 on a neutered consumption device gets less appealing with each generation.

Conversely, I really like using my iPad Pro as a daily driver (eg. Slides, light blogging, Notion, reading, Zoom, Slack, etc) as most of my core apps and usecases are either PWAs or Apps already. And I think this is the target demographic of the iPad - either creative types (eg. designers or musicians) or executives (eg. Consultants, PMs, etc) who are not code driven but still need a workbook style environment. From…

>Conversely, I really like using my iPad Pro as a daily driver (eg. Slides, light blogging, Notion, reading, etc) a

Which of those things requires an expensive, top-of-the-line tablet?

Re: Redesigned 11-inch and new 13-inch iPad Air

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Post by jjice »

mikestew wrote: post #2

So, a new M4 chip, up to 10 cores and all kinds of other hotness...yet Apple is still going to treat the iPad with all its big boy computer parts as just a toy computer incapable of compiling code or even giving me a terminal window, let alone run macOS apps. Our house is chocked full of Apple gear, but the idea of spending a cool $1000 on a neutered consumption device gets less appealing with each generation.

I don't personally own any Apple products (but use a MacBook for work), but if they iPad had a full desktop OS, I'd buy one in a heartbeat. The form factor and performance is incredible, but the software is the limitation for me.

Re: Redesigned 11-inch and new 13-inch iPad Air

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Post by alephnerd »

itsoktocry wrote: post #25
alephnerd wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Conversely, I really like using my iPad Pro as a daily driver (eg. Slides, light blogging, Notion, reading, Zoom, Slack, etc) as most of my core apps and usecases are either PWAs or Apps already. And I think this is the target demographic of the iPad - either creative types (eg. designers or musicians) or executives (eg. Consultants, PMs, etc) who are not code driven but still need a workbook style environment. From…

> Conversely, I really like using my iPad Pro as a daily driver (eg. Slides, light blogging, Notion, reading, etc) a Which of those things requires an expensive, top-of-the-line tablet?

User Experience.

A Windows workbook or a Chromebook sucks from a UX standpoint due to either performance issues or driver inoperatbility.

Pricing is comparable to a MS Surface or Chromebook Pro.

Re: Redesigned 11-inch and new 13-inch iPad Air

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Post by Zambyte »

dagmx wrote: post #23
mikestew wrote: post #2

So, a new M4 chip, up to 10 cores and all kinds of other hotness...yet Apple is still going to treat the iPad with all its big boy computer parts as just a toy computer incapable of compiling code or even giving me a terminal window, let alone run macOS apps. Our house is chocked full of Apple gear, but the idea of spending a cool $1000 on a neutered consumption device gets less appealing with each generation.

It’s funny seeing the disconnect between the HN community and the creator communities. The creator communities at ecstatic about this. The HN community seems to have difficult seeing uses outside their own niches. There are tons of types of “Pros”. The entire event was art focused. It’s not a toy for the artistic crowd.

It's a toy after they stop updating it in a few years and you can no longer run new creative software for no good reason.

In my book that makes it a toy today too.

Re: Redesigned 11-inch and new 13-inch iPad Air

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Post by alistairSH »

mikestew wrote: post #2

So, a new M4 chip, up to 10 cores and all kinds of other hotness...yet Apple is still going to treat the iPad with all its big boy computer parts as just a toy computer incapable of compiling code or even giving me a terminal window, let alone run macOS apps. Our house is chocked full of Apple gear, but the idea of spending a cool $1000 on a neutered consumption device gets less appealing with each generation.

the idea of spending a cool $1000 on a neutered consumption device

Neutered because you can't side-load apps or use it as a dev machine? That's a pretty limited use-case overall.

I have an M1 iPad Pro and it's great for moderate photo editing (Photomator or Adobe) and basic "office" stuff.

Re: Redesigned 11-inch and new 13-inch iPad Air

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Post by bdcravens »

troupo wrote: post #4

So, Apple is doubling down on messy, confusing product lines with no clear distinction or direction other than "must ship something every year"

They have a "Pro" product across most of their products. If anything, the "Air" nomenclature in some products whereas others have no name indicating it's the lower priced option is what's confusing.
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