The only sustained use of tablets I've seen so far is a "computer" for kids. We have several tablets at home, including a few iPads, never used.
Many concert sound technicians use iPads as remote monitors for their sound rigs.
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#72I used some WFH budget on an iPad Air and a pencil thinking it would be great for taking notes and diagramming things but it’s mostly been useless. The UX of mirroring from my laptop to draw things has been a buggy mess in every app I’ve tried. The device has been relegated to a screen for watching movies on during flights.
Thanks for saying this, I did the same with expensing an 13 inch iPad Pro thinking I could use it as an extended screen when I travel. The fine print is that its a buggy mess that only works if the ipad and macbook are on the same wifi and even then at half resolution for the ipad, even when plugged in together via usb-c. All I wanted was a standard definition extra monitor that could work over usb-c and watch movies…
> even when plugged in together.
Do you mean via USB ? Because that works flawlessly for me, even with the older lightning-port iPad version. Over wifi is almost always laggy though.
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#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
It’s funny seeing the disconnect between the HN community and the creator communities. The creator communities at ecstatic about this. The HN community seems to have difficult seeing uses outside their own niches. There are tons of types of “Pros”. The entire event was art focused. It’s not a toy for the artistic crowd.
Assuming you mean "creator" and "artistic crowd" as illustrators and musicians, yes the iPad is a powerful tools for very specific use cases. But even in these niches there has been a gradual move away from the iPad to more powerful devices where it works out well enough. For instance music creation/management benefited a lot from the new macbooks, especially as they got more ports and top notch software support. Pho…
> All in all, Apple created a gap and pro users looked at more fitting devices when they didn't want to bend over backwards to use an iPad.
Honestly, Apple kind of dropped the "pro" crowd some time ago topping out with the trash can MacPro. That thing was such a joke. It took years for them to admit it, which they ultimately did, shockingly. After that, they then went full Apple again in the revised MacPro that still missed the mark of what people actually wanted. It wasn't until the Apple Silicon where Apple's vision could really shine with a near silent "pro" box sitting on a desk. The modern "creator" crowd doesn't have data rooms where big noisy boxes live, so they finally found their audience so their refusal to make a data center friendly box pays off for them. Finally.
Prosumers (where I equate "creators") cheered triumphantly /s
Re: Redesigned 11-inch and new 13-inch iPad Air
#74So, a new M4 chip, up to 10 cores and all kinds of other hotness...yet Apple is still going to treat the iPad with all its big boy computer parts as just a toy computer incapable of compiling code or even giving me a terminal window, let alone run macOS apps. Our house is chocked full of Apple gear, but the idea of spending a cool $1000 on a neutered consumption device gets less appealing with each generation.
It’s funny seeing the disconnect between the HN community and the creator communities. The creator communities at ecstatic about this. The HN community seems to have difficult seeing uses outside their own niches. There are tons of types of “Pros”. The entire event was art focused. It’s not a toy for the artistic crowd.
> There are tons of types of “Pros”.
Regardless of our personal professional affinities the only reason iPadOS stays locked down is that it's simply more profitable to sell a customer two devices instead of just one. I would love to have an iPad Pro as my only home computer, but it's just not doable due to its OS limitations. The artistic angle is just Apple's way to make the platform believable.
Why would an artist care if I can also compile code on an iPad?
I can only assume that macOS must be offensive to some due to its "openness". The truth is that macOS allows me to be both an artist and a developer, and I don't have a single doubt that Apple could pull off an interface that allows a similar experience on iPadOS. It's just that doing so will lose them money.
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> Conversely, I really like using my iPad Pro as a daily driver (eg. Slides, light blogging, Notion, reading, etc) a Which of those things requires an expensive, top-of-the-line tablet?
User Experience. A Windows workbook or a Chromebook sucks from a UX standpoint due to either performance issues or driver inoperatbility. Pricing is comparable to a MS Surface or Chromebook Pro.
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#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
It’s funny seeing the disconnect between the HN community and the creator communities. The creator communities at ecstatic about this. The HN community seems to have difficult seeing uses outside their own niches. There are tons of types of “Pros”. The entire event was art focused. It’s not a toy for the artistic crowd.
It's a toy after they stop updating it in a few years and you can no longer run new creative software for no good reason. In my book that makes it a toy today too.
My iPad Pro turns 6 this year and still runs the latest operating system.
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#77I recently gave using a 2nd gen 11-inch iPad Air as my daily driver, and I gotta say I like it a lot more than I was expecting.
I have a big beefy TrueNAS machine at home and run various Linux VMs for dev work, accessed via Tailscale; mosh-ing or ssh-ing in via Blink Shell is pretty much flawless. I can even institute my "Cmd = tmux prefix" trick that I do in iTerm (via mapping hex codes), so for me it's essentially the same dev workflow as my M1 MacBook Air, albeit with a worse keyboard and a smaller screen, but with the added benefit of LTE, which IMO is a fair trade off until we (Tim Apple, please) get LTE on the Mac lineup (not holding my breath).
The only thing I've been finding myself wanting is a larger screen and a better keyboard, and the 13-inch could potentially deliver both. It's a pretty appealing device.
That said, I of course wish that Apple would just let me treat it like a real computer and not have to connect to Linux VMs to get any work done, but hey, it's still a nice experience if it lines up with your workflow.
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#78The only sustained use of tablets I've seen so far is a "computer" for kids. We have several tablets at home, including a few iPads, never used.
In my experience, tablets tend to be a highly divisive device, either used a tremendous amount or not used at all. I have friends for whom the tablet was a primary computing device in high school and uni and they often use it more than their laptops. Meanwhile I hardly ever pick one up and can't really imagine buying one for myself.
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I think it is great to think about HN biases. Not in a disrespectful but an epistemological way. For example, we know that Web3 is not well received here.
It's only well received in scammer and grifter circles though.
It's really not. That's just the prevailing misconception around here from a group of people that seems unwilling to read anything about crypto not written by luddite griftfluencers.
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#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think it is great to think about HN biases. Not in a disrespectful but an epistemological way. For example, we know that Web3 is not well received here.
It's only well received in scammer and grifter circles though.
Because you don't live in Argentina though. Web3 was just an example. Also remember that Coinbase was a YC startup.
You comment basically proves the point of this thread! Everyone lives in their own echo chamber.