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Balsamic vinegar is likely fake

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was recently traveling in New Zealand and had an opportunity to visit the Te Puke truffle farm. They explained why truffle oil is not made by infusing truffles in oil: it's because truffles can harbor botulism, which is anaerobic, and so dunking a truffle in oil creates a perfect environment for botulism to thrive. "Fake" truffle oil is a feature, quite literally not a bug.

I would think you could fix that pretty easily with a heat step. There are real truffle oils made that way I assume that’s what they do. Botulism can survive boiling, but not pressure cooking, which is only a little bit hotter, And below the point which oils are destroyed.

My guess is that would also destroy the flavor. But I don’t know.

Re: Balsamic vinegar is likely fake

#32
post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A tablespoon of traditional balsamic is a huge portion. The stuff is typically served with an eyedropper.

A couple tablespoons and equal parts olive oil is what I get on top of my salads everywhere I go. So, no.

Very unlikely that the stuff you get by the tablespoon is what is being referred to here.

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post #22
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Another clickbait article title. Shame on you BBC. Not fake. "Balsamic vinegar that is not labelled "tradizionale" (traditional) is a blend of wine vinegar and grape must, made from grapes with no particular provenance and aged in wooden or steel barrels for just a few months."

No, actually, you should have kept reading. The fakes they're talking about are actual fakes - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/09/grapes-of-wrat...

The BBC article especially is conflating two kinds of 'fake'.

The balsamic vinegar most of us buy is not the super expensive 'Traditional balsamic vinegar', which is what they're describing aging in barrels for 12 years. It may still be 'balsamic vinegar of Modena', which is a protected term but with much less strict requirements, and consequently much cheaper. And 'balsamic vinegar' without qualifiers is not protected at all, as far as I know. It seems like a stretch to call these fakes.

Either protected term can fetch a better price than generic 'balsamic vinegar', so someone will have a go at faking some paperwork to make their product more valuable. The Guardian article describes one such case that was caught (in 2019), but doesn't say much about how prevalent this is.

Re: Balsamic vinegar is likely fake

#35
post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A couple tablespoons and equal parts olive oil is what I get on top of my salads everywhere I go. So, no.

You eat something that goes for 1250 per liter by the tablespoon?

Yeah, I can afford $18 dollars. I must be the 0.1%.

Re: Balsamic vinegar is likely fake

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Many commenters seem to be missing the distinction that makes the difference between "real" vs "fake" balsamic vinegar as mentioned in the title.

"Real" balsamic vinegar as the title uses the world real is related to protected designation of origin, abbreviated PDO in English or DOP in Italian.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protected_designation_of_origi...

This designation in the context of balsamic vinegar involves specific grapes from specific regions, but the most important characteristic in the usage of the word real in this context is that there is only a single ingredient:

> True [traditional] balsamic vinegar is made from a reduction of pressed Trebbiano and Lambrusco grapes. The resulting thick syrup, called mosto cotto in Italian [grape must], is subsequently aged for a minimum of 12 years in a battery of several barrels of successively smaller sizes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balsamic_vinegar

The confusion arises where you have products that are not traditional DOP balsamic vinegar.

Other methods of producing products labeled as balsamic vinegar could actually use the above single ingredient musto cotto but with grapes from outside the two designated regions, which is then also aged in wooden barrels for at least 12 years, the same single ingredient recipe aged in batteries of wooden barrels production method used to make so-called traditional balsamic vinegar.

Or, grape must may be mixed with wine vinegar and only be aged for as little as few months in non-wooden barrels - this is the type of product that seems to me to be less "real" as TFA uses the word.

I would personally rather consume either traditional DOP "real" balsamic vinegar, or at least a cheaper alternative which uses the same "single ingredient grape must aged in wooden barrels at least 12 years" recipe as traditional balsamic vinegar, as that is at least the same production process.

Any other vinegar product that uses blends of grape must and wine vinegar may be a fine-tasting product according to some, but to me, it isn't even the same thing, and it isn't really in the spirit of balsamic vinegar. To sell such a blend and labeling it as balsamic vinegar feels like selling blended whisky as single malt whisky - it minces words in order to subvert truth in advertising to the detriment of informed consumers attempting to buy a product that actually is what its label purports it to be.

To me, these are distinctions with a difference.

> A distinction without a difference is a type of logical fallacy where an author or speaker attempts to describe a distinction between two things where no discernible difference exists. It is particularly used when a word or phrase has connotations associated with it that one party to an argument prefers to avoid.

> For example, a person might say "I did not lie; I merely stretched the truth a little bit."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distinction_without_a_differen...

Re: Balsamic vinegar is likely fake

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Many commenters seem to be missing the distinction that makes the difference between "real" vs "fake" balsamic vinegar as mentioned in the title. "Real" balsamic vinegar as the title uses the world real is related to protected designation of origin, abbreviated PDO in English or DOP in Italian. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protected_designation_of_origi... This designation in the context of balsamic vinegar involves…

> Many commenters seem to be missing the distinction that makes the difference between "real" vs "fake" balsamic vinegar as mentioned in the title.

No "real" is mentioned in the title. And any suggestion the common, non-trad variety is fake is conspicuously absent from the body.

Re: Balsamic vinegar is likely fake

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post #22
post #3

Another clickbait article title. Shame on you BBC. Not fake. "Balsamic vinegar that is not labelled "tradizionale" (traditional) is a blend of wine vinegar and grape must, made from grapes with no particular provenance and aged in wooden or steel barrels for just a few months."

No, actually, you should have kept reading. The fakes they're talking about are actual fakes - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/09/grapes-of-wrat...

Yes, actually. I read the article and nowhere does it call the cheaper non-trad variety fake.

Re: Balsamic vinegar is likely fake

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post #3

Another clickbait article title. Shame on you BBC. Not fake. "Balsamic vinegar that is not labelled "tradizionale" (traditional) is a blend of wine vinegar and grape must, made from grapes with no particular provenance and aged in wooden or steel barrels for just a few months."

So what would make it fake?

> So what would make it fake?

Claiming to be something it is not.

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