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Balsamic vinegar is likely fake

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I read that probably all truffle oil is fake. Hard to find a definitive statement.

id venture anything under $200/oz USD is fake. it is generally sourced as a byproduct of the petrochemical industry.

$200/oz is the cost of a fresh high end truffle which you wouldn't use to make oil. You don't need that much to make infused oil, it's more like $10/oz.

Real 100 year old Balsamic vinegar is $200/oz though: https://giusti.com/products/giusti-100-reserve

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Another clickbait article title. Shame on you BBC. Not fake. "Balsamic vinegar that is not labelled "tradizionale" (traditional) is a blend of wine vinegar and grape must, made from grapes with no particular provenance and aged in wooden or steel barrels for just a few months."

No, actually, you should have kept reading. The fakes they're talking about are actual fakes - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/09/grapes-of-wrat...

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Truly bad headline here. There is a type of “traditional” balsamic vinegar that follows very specific guidelines. But so long as it’s not labeled as “tradizionale” and doesn’t claim to be from this region, then it’s not “fake”.

It's about as real or fake as anything else on the US market then. That it's allowed to be called balsamic vinegar is the real crime.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Truffle oil you buy at the store, never been within miles from a real truffle. It's an oil that made to smell and taste "kinda" like truffle. The label is clear about that. It's not fake in the same way it's talked about fake balsamic vinegar in this article.

I was recently traveling in New Zealand and had an opportunity to visit the Te Puke truffle farm. They explained why truffle oil is not made by infusing truffles in oil: it's because truffles can harbor botulism, which is anaerobic, and so dunking a truffle in oil creates a perfect environment for botulism to thrive. "Fake" truffle oil is a feature, quite literally not a bug.

I would think you could fix that pretty easily with a heat step. There are real truffle oils made that way I assume that’s what they do.

Botulism can survive boiling, but not pressure cooking, which is only a little bit hotter, And below the point which oils are destroyed.

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Another clickbait article title. Shame on you BBC. Not fake. "Balsamic vinegar that is not labelled "tradizionale" (traditional) is a blend of wine vinegar and grape must, made from grapes with no particular provenance and aged in wooden or steel barrels for just a few months."

Yeah, this feels more to me like Whiskey vs Bourbon where it's just standards and locations differing much of the two. I thought it was going to be more like wasabi, where most places just serve green horseradish.

Sounds more like wine and fortified wine to me..

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I read that probably all truffle oil is fake. Hard to find a definitive statement.

id venture anything under $200/oz USD is fake. it is generally sourced as a byproduct of the petrochemical industry.

It doesn’t take that much truffle to make a lot of truffle oil so it isn’t that expensive, but it is quite a bit more than the fake stuff

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I'm surprised the article makes no mention of lead. >> Aged vinegars, favored by gourmets and sometimes costing $100 a bottle, contain more lead than the quicker brewed, less expensive kinds. For three imported varieties tested in 2002, people who eat one tablespoon per day would be exposed to seven to 10 times the maximum daily level of lead set by California. https://www.ehn.org/special-report-some-vinegars-often-e…

A tablespoon of traditional balsamic is a huge portion. The stuff is typically served with an eyedropper.

A couple tablespoons and equal parts olive oil is what I get on top of my salads everywhere I go. So, no.

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So what would make it fake?

If it wasn't balsamic vinegar at all. This is just saying it isn't high quality balsamic vinegar from Moderna. This is just about protected names. If you make champagne but you don't do it in Champagne then it is "fake champagne", but if you make cheddar but not in Cheddar then it's "real".

If you’re making the product with cheaper ingredients and a simpler process but using the same name as a product with expensive ingredients and a long, complicated process then you’re making a fake product and attempting to capitalize on the name recognition of the original. It’s every bit as egregious as taking iron pyrite and calling it gold.

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A tablespoon of traditional balsamic is a huge portion. The stuff is typically served with an eyedropper.

A couple tablespoons and equal parts olive oil is what I get on top of my salads everywhere I go. So, no.

You eat something that goes for 1250 per liter by the tablespoon?

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So what would make it fake?

A better question to ask is "what makes it real". The problem I have with "fake" and "real", particularly with Italian and French goods, is there's often a "Produced from this region by these people" incorporated into the definition of "real". This is very apparent when you look into things like "Mozzarella". Italy would have you believe that mozzarella could only be produced in Italy as if the region somehow blesses…

> A better question to ask is "what makes it real".

Aging in barrels, just like whiskey and a bunch of other alcohols. The geographic designation is only important because it's the only authority that guarantees that the manufacturer is selling what they claim. I couldn't care less about Modena or Reggio Emilia but I want something that's been aged in a barrel, not just mixed with thickener to make it look reduced.

It's not acceptable to dilute Everclear with food coloring and flavoring and call it whiskey, regardless of geographic designation, which is what these "fake" balsamic vinegars are essentially doing.

> If the breakdown process of balsamic vinegar ends up producing a chemically and flavor profile identical to just red wine vinegar and grape must, then who cares if it's "fake"?

The process doesn't produce the same flavors. Not even close. As a lover of real aged balsamic, it just doesn't compare. It's just cheap and good enough for many recipes so I use it as often as the real stuff, but it's a cheap imitation through and through.

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