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Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by loceng »

suddenexample wrote: post #212
Animats wrote: post #150

"and block its websites." So this keeps Israelis from reading Al Jazeera. Now that's new. Israel started Internet censorship in 2017.[1] Initially it was limited to "terror group websites, online illegal gambling, prostitution services, hard drug sales". At the time, "due to warnings from rights groups that the law poses a slippery slope toward additional censorship, the final version of the legislation dictates that…

> The US White House press secretary issued a weak statement condemning Israel's action, but it was on April 1st and the costumed Easter Bunny overshadowed that statement.[7] Wow you can't make this stuff up

In a similar vein: "The closer the collapse of the Empire, the crazier its laws are." - Marcus Tullius Cicero

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by licebmi__at__ »

BurningFrog wrote: post #841
AlecSchueler wrote: post #725

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Germany they can't publicly gather to protest Israel's actions either, not legally anyway. https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2023/10/26/complete-censo...

For some reason, Germany has very strict rules and traditions against any hint of anti-Jewish activities.

One would have thought that a proper stance is to be against any kind of mass killings, yet given the attitude on the topic of Namibia we do know there are first and second class victims.

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by bitcurious »

A1kmm wrote: post #373
jolj wrote: post #168

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You'd might want to watch some arabic al jazeera. While Al Jazeera English pushes s the progressive post-colonialist narrative in the United States, Al Jazeera Arabic gears the Middle East for a war by pushing a Muslim Brotherhood idea of a Sharia state, Salafism and Jihad. Both have the same aim, just as Qatar Airways sponsor your flights with oil money so you might fly through Qatar, Al Jazeera pays journalists so…

Do you have a link to an article in Arabic where they incite violence? I've spent a while translating various articles on the Al Jazeera Arabic site from Arabic to English with mistral-7b. Everything seemed to be very fact based, and was emphasising things like civilian deaths, which aligns to what I'd consider public interest. The Arabic text does consistently use the term شهيد (martyr) to describe Palestinian civil…

> https://www.memri.org/reports/al-jazeera-arabic-qatari-owned...

This is obviously a source with a considerable bias, but they link to many concerning examples of Al Jazeera reporting. I personally don’t speak Arabic but anecdotally I’ve heard that the translations are accurate, the bias is manifest in choosing what to translate. This example was especially concerning, exacerbating civilian deaths:

> Al-Jazeera Fabricates Information Designed To Thwart Israel's Instructions To The Gaza Population

>Al-Jazeera broadcast footage of bodies of civilians strewn over a road, presenting them as victims of an Israeli attack against people who had abided by the IDF instructions to evacuate to southern Gaza.[91] Israel in fact had secured safe passage to the south for those civilians who wished to go there, while Hamas exerted pressure on them to remain put in order to use civilians as human shields.[92]

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Post by arp242 »

smallstepforman wrote: post #612
arp242 wrote: post #107

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RT was outright banned by the EU after they invaded Ukraine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT_(TV_network)#Responses – it's also been dropped/banned by most mainstream platforms. I don't think you can compare Al Jazeera and RT, because one has been a firehose of bullshit that has literally advocates invasion of Ukraine, and the other does not. As far as I know, Al Jazeera is banned purely because they've been critica…

To clarify your post: “because one has been a firehose of bullshit that has literally advocates invasion of Ukraine” How is that different from CNN/BBC/whatever advocating NATO/US invasions in the last half century? (Serbia, Iraq2, Libya, etc). And more recently Gaza.

They didn't; there was tons of criticism about that, including on the beeb and CNN and everywhere else. You're confusing debate with propaganda. There were enormous protests against the Iraq war in London and other places. Try that in Russia. Never mind Serbia was busy with its own ethnic cleansing campaigns and maybe taking some action about that wasn't entirely a bad thing...

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Post by flanked-evergl »

megous wrote: post #877
flanked-evergl wrote: post #791

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How many of those 100 journalists killed were intentionally killed because they were journalists, as opposed to dying as collateral damage? And if foreign journalists want to get into Palestine, they have other options than entering through the Israeli border, they can enter through the Egyptian border.

> And if foreign journalists want to get into Palestine, they have other options... First, they don't. All crossings are controlled by Israel. There's a reason why you have a lot of foreign reporting on the ground from Syria civil war and nothing from Gaza. (I noted your switch from Gaza to Palestine, btw) And journalistic agencies complain about this repeatedly. 10% of journalists killed (against 2% of total populat…

> All crossings are controlled by Israel.

This is false. Israel does not control Egypt's or Jordan's borders.

> To me, it looks like majority were killed intentionally based on that list.

By CPJ's own account, that list is not verified:

> Our database will not include all of these casualties until we have completed further investigations into the circumstances surrounding them. For more information, read our FAQ.

I did check some of them, and I would agree some of it look concerning at face value, but I'm not sure if I would take any of those sources at face value. I would very much like to see some investigation into this, but without the war ending, I don't really see how that will happen.

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Post by refulgentis »

edanm wrote: post #481
refulgentis wrote: post #71

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It was a very strange day yesterday: the whole week coverage had been building up to a meeting in Cairo, Hamas signalled they were going to accept the cease fire. Saturday AM EST, it was reported that Hamas confirmed they were going to accept the deal. By noon Saturday EST, the "Israel-Hamas War"...idk what to call it, live blog? collection-of-news headline?...was gone for the first time in months. Israel reporting (…

> Israel reporting (not just Haaretz) reported huge, multiple, protests (it was at night there, early afternoon EST) due to Israel rejecting a cease fire. Correcting you on this - the protests were not because Israel "rejected a cease fire". For one thing, these are the same protests that happen every Saturday for the last few weeks of the war, continuing the "tradition" of protests that happened every Saturday for t…

You're right that there's been protests. The claims in the post, not sending a delegation, Bibi's anonymous statements being deanonymized, and the protests this weekend being intensified and a subject hostages families spoke about at the protests are all verifiable.

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Post by gradientsrneat »

farseer wrote: post #618

They can ban whatever they want, after all its a democracy only in name. I'd be far more concerned about Israel using its direct influence or its proxies to ban TikTok in the United States.

Here is a list of countries that have banned or restricted TikTok:

https://time.com/6971009/tiktok-banned-restrictions-worldwid...

Israel isn't even on this list.

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Post by sim7c00 »

skulk wrote: post #867
sim7c00 wrote: post #839

i am curious ig there is a valid threat in israelis reading al jazeera. or if they have any proof of any falsehoods being published there and why it would need to be shut down?. any good neutral resource around this for a non-israeli/non-palestinian person to make sense of this? from the surface this looks so grim, but i do not want to jump to conclusions... its so hard to make sense of this more and more.. and it be…

It's hard to read or watch Al Jazeera's reporting on this matter without feeling utterly disgusted at how a certain military is treating a civilian population (be it in Gaza or the West Bank). They make the Israelis and the IDF look like absolute monsters.

thanks for the reply. i do feel the same, as in, i sometimes even think that way too due to the news. i dont watch al jazera, but in my country, the IDF does not come out good either... Israelis though, they dont get chucked in with the same sentiment. (im dutch, there's reports of the injustices against civilians, but no word on the general population of israel being 'bad' or something like that.)

im maybe lucky i have some israeli ex colleagues who can help me see that the people there are also against violence and injustices. (what those are is not the point i guess. - maybe that's an opinion different on both sides of a fence..)

There's in our national news things like a report that says there's like 35k deaths in gaza, then the next report says there's like 30k children killed. - it's really easy to get a weird idea here..... (I simply assume no soldier would willingly just kill mostly children - but maybe thats also wrong??)

don't want to say i am with one or another side. just want to point out how reporting, as you said, can make things look a certain way, while they might not be. This is now true for most conflicts as there's so many sides of each story, and then all the content-farms and propaganda ontop of that.

everyone is trying to win the others over to their side of the debate to justify their war, rather than to build peace. (i think?)

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Post by sim7c00 »

catlikesshrimp wrote: post #878
sim7c00 wrote: post #839

i am curious ig there is a valid threat in israelis reading al jazeera. or if they have any proof of any falsehoods being published there and why it would need to be shut down?. any good neutral resource around this for a non-israeli/non-palestinian person to make sense of this? from the surface this looks so grim, but i do not want to jump to conclusions... its so hard to make sense of this more and more.. and it be…

I am all agaisnt censorship, but I am ok with gagging the guy screaming fire in the theather. 90% fake news outlets fall into that category. IDK about your country, but Latam RT was 25% discussion about how Russia has been great through history, 25% one sided debates about how democratic countries are hypocrites and bad, 25% wrong and one sided reads into current events, and 25% travel bloggers in Russia. I am on the…

I like your analogy on the gagging of the guy screaming fire. this is a very good and clear way to put it thanks. that guy deserves a ban from the theatre for sure ;)

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Post by aprilthird2021 »

beltsazar wrote: post #845
farseer wrote: post #618

They can ban whatever they want, after all its a democracy only in name. I'd be far more concerned about Israel using its direct influence or its proxies to ban TikTok in the United States.

What do you mean? Israel ranks 30th in The Economist Democracy Index: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist_Democracy_Index It's not great, but it's also far from what you said "democracy only in name."

Israel currently denies the right to vote to more people that its government controls the lives of than it grants the right to vote for. This is because it wants to be both a Jewish (demography-first) and democratic (equal-representaition-first) state.

I'm very aware of why this is the case and the history. This is the current case on the ground. Palestinians do not have their own state (according to Israel), so they are occupied and have all their imports, exports, water usage, food intake, ability to earn money, etc. etc. regulated and controlled by a government they cannot vote for, while a minority of people on the other side of a wall can vote for that government.

That's a democracy in name only

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