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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

VyseofArcadia wrote: post #62
gwbas1c wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nicotine is one of the most addictive substances known to man. Quitting cigarettes is about as hard as quitting heroin. In contrast, quitting coffee is much, much easier. On a more personal note, when "The King's Speech" was in theaters I kept watching people smoke cigarettes on screen, and went out and bought some Drum. (Loose tobacco that comes with rolling papers.) Within a few days I started getting a voice in my…

I've thankfully never had to quit cigarettes or heroin, but in my experience quitting coffee is awful . 3-5 days of migraine-level headaches and nausea. And the whole time you're thinking, "all this could go away with just one little cup of coffee, which all the studies say has health benefits even. Just one little cup"

Why quit coffee if it has health benefits?

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Post by kibwen »

rayiner wrote: post #32
lenerdenator wrote: post #9

It really is amazing. We were thiiiiiiis close to having a generation that wasn't addicted to nicotine for the first time in hundreds of years (like, since trade between North America and Europe really became a thing) and these guys pulled this thumb drive that tastes like cotton candy out of nowhere and every young person is just jonesing . And the regulatory/public opinion environment isn't what it was in the 80s a…

We socialized people to realize smoking is dirty, then went ahead and legalized marijuana so now kids who would never have smoked cigarettes are filling their lungs with tar: https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/14/health/marijuana-smoke-wellne... . At least cigarettes made people skinny and hot.

> then went ahead and legalized marijuana so now kids who would never have smoked cigarettes

...Except marijuana absolutely isn't legalized, so this is completely incorrect. And in the minority of states that currently ignore the illegality of marijuana, they impose the same age restrictions as cigarettes.

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Post by ThrowawayTestr »

lenerdenator wrote: post #9

It really is amazing. We were thiiiiiiis close to having a generation that wasn't addicted to nicotine for the first time in hundreds of years (like, since trade between North America and Europe really became a thing) and these guys pulled this thumb drive that tastes like cotton candy out of nowhere and every young person is just jonesing . And the regulatory/public opinion environment isn't what it was in the 80s a…

I hate that my smoking cessation aid is being ruined because gas station attendants can't be bothered to check IDs.

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Post by zachturn »

bayindirh wrote: post #45
madog wrote: post #37

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Actually with vaping it becomes pretty easy to quit. You just taper down the nicotine slowly until you're on nothing and eventually you just kind of stop because you don't feel the need to do it anymore.

What about body's response? Is it easy to curb? I was drinking 2 liters of coffee per day while finishing my Ph.D.. Next week I wasn't drinking, and after that I occasionally drank half a cup per day. This was seven years ago, and I still drink half a cup, because I like the taste of coffee. I have at least a dozen vaping friends who said they started to stop smoking. Now at least half of them have heavily souped up,…

This is such an edge case on quitting a caffeine addiction. 2 liters is an INSANE amount of coffee to be drinking daily.

Kudos to you but let's not pretend this is the average experience of people breaking even much milder levels of caffeine consumption.

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Post by jogjayr »

nojvek wrote: post #56
rayiner wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We socialized people to realize smoking is dirty, then went ahead and legalized marijuana so now kids who would never have smoked cigarettes are filling their lungs with tar: https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/14/health/marijuana-smoke-wellne... . At least cigarettes made people skinny and hot.

Curious, what makes having cigarettes have low body fat? or in general they get undernourished?

I always assumed smoking made all food taste like shit.

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Post by bayindirh »

zachturn wrote: post #74
bayindirh wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about body's response? Is it easy to curb? I was drinking 2 liters of coffee per day while finishing my Ph.D.. Next week I wasn't drinking, and after that I occasionally drank half a cup per day. This was seven years ago, and I still drink half a cup, because I like the taste of coffee. I have at least a dozen vaping friends who said they started to stop smoking. Now at least half of them have heavily souped up,…

This is such an edge case on quitting a caffeine addiction. 2 liters is an INSANE amount of coffee to be drinking daily. Kudos to you but let's not pretend this is the average experience of people breaking even much milder levels of caffeine consumption.

I did my research before letting coffee loose on my body.

The coffee acts by blocking tiredness/sleep receptors on the brain, so brain builds more of them to work normally. This is how coffee dependence and tolerance builds.

When you stop coffee, brain detects that the number of receptors is too high and starts to break them down. This is why you get the headaches.

That "one week" period is not an edge case, it's the science of it. If it was proved to be harder on that research, I'd never let my body to reach 2L/day levels.

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Post by cheeseomlit »

anonymoose33282 wrote: post #52
cheeseomlit wrote: post #42

I just want my mango pods back... Seems really arbitrary to ban things on a flavor by flavor basis. I don't see anybody banning fruity flavored vodka.

It's definitely a double-standard that is especially prevalent in the US. In a gas station you can buy alcohol that will kill you, nicotine products that will kill you, processed food that will kill you. I don't understand why only 1 of those seems to ruffle feathers.

In this case its particularly aggravating because, at least where I live, gas stations still sell flavored disposable vapes. The difference is that now they're cheap knockoff brands, and they only come in high potency unlike juul where you could get 3% pods. The mango pod ban didn't make anything safer for consumers by any measure and I want them back god dammit

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Post by mooch3k »

bilekas wrote: post #54
fidotron wrote: post #39

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You say it like that it is desirable. Unfortunately people perform better when they have nicotine, so the effect for society as a whole is non negligible if a huge mass of people get a slight performance bounce. Smoking is annoying, disgusting, unhealthy etc. but we are way too quick to dismiss the possibility that nicotine itself may have been a civilization booster.

> Unfortunately people perform better when they have nicotine. This is the first time I've ever heard someone bring this argument. Ignoring the health risks involved with nicotine, the 'performance boost' is negligible. It's less than caffeine. > but we are way too quick to dismiss the possibility that nicotine itself may have been a civilization booster. There are nicotine gums and patches available, and a very good…

It’s that crazy… I’m a masters degree student who has used nicotine in the form of low-dose patches and oral pouches as a cognitive enhancer for many years. Never felt compelled to use nicotine outside of focused work at the library and I also maintain a high level of cardiovascular fitness.

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Post by VoidWhisperer »

kibwen wrote: post #72
rayiner wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We socialized people to realize smoking is dirty, then went ahead and legalized marijuana so now kids who would never have smoked cigarettes are filling their lungs with tar: https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/14/health/marijuana-smoke-wellne... . At least cigarettes made people skinny and hot.

> then went ahead and legalized marijuana so now kids who would never have smoked cigarettes ...Except marijuana absolutely isn't legalized, so this is completely incorrect. And in the minority of states that currently ignore the illegality of marijuana, they impose the same age restrictions as cigarettes.

Based on the recent decision by the DEA to move marijuana from schedule 1 to schedule 3, that could be changing (insofar as legalization goes anyways)

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Post by Beijinger »

uniqueuid wrote: post #31
dudisubekti wrote: post #26

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But what’s so bad about nicotine? Is it any worse than caffeine? I’m genuinely curious, because isn’t tar and carbon monoxide the dangerous byproduct of smoking, not the nicotine?

There are many studies on the effect of nicotine. I would look for several meta-analyses or umbrella (meta-meta) analyses. Ideally reporting all-cause mortality. Here is one like that: ~500k individuals, vaping has an odds ratio of 1.33 (95% CI = 1.14–1.56) for heart attacks compared to non-smoker/non-vapers. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S01675... [edit] To compare that to caffeine, this stud…

"Here is one like that: ~500k individuals, vaping has an odds ratio of 1.33 (95% CI = 1.14–1.56) for heart attacks compared to non-smoker/non-vapers."

Are vapers more likely to get a heart attack or are people with a stressful life with a higher risk of a heart attack more likely to be vapers?

Sorry. Could not resist.

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