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Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by jurmous »

angra_mainyu wrote: post #309
patall wrote: post #280

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Do you have examples for Europe blocking Russia? Because all I have seen is DNS providers omitting certain sites (i.e RT), but their apps still work (plus URLs when using other DNS). An nothing of that coming from the nation states as all seems to be due to the activities of private companies doing these things.

rt.com and their twitter are blocked. How are you not aware of this? It's been a few years already. The EU ruled on this. https://paste.pics/4b60ebef97d3b7fbb6aba74637c2e818 https://paste.pics/0cb2ae98754165dad5cf086e75c4cc31

I am in the Netherlands and I am able to visit rt.com without VPN.

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by dagw »

brabel wrote: post #626
jorvi wrote: post #364

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I did some further research and technically the EU has banned them, but only from being broadcasted and they are supposed to be DNS-blocked but failing to do so is without legal consequences. To me this is more a discouragement of promotion than any real ban, but I will edit my previous comment.

It seems in some EU countries you can still reach RT or BY. Try one of these (none accessible to me in Sweden): * https://sputnikglobe.com * https://sputnik.by * https://rt.com/ My wife is Belarussian and was upset she couldn't read her news, that's how I know they banned many websites. They didn't ban the "opposition" websites run from outside Russia/Belarus though :).

Al three work fine for me (also in Sweden). Perhaps different ISPs are dealing with this differently.

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by candiodari »

Ahmd72 wrote: post #335
candiodari wrote: post #320

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This is not purposefully, Arabic is the main language of the people living in the regions, the Arabs. Just because they're catering to that out and giving news accordingly to the local demographics, bringing speakers from there doesn't make it their viewpoints. If you want to accuse someone of pushing agenda then Western media outlets and outlets that pushed the "40 babies beheading" stories is more factual.

They're the same speakers. They just lie about their message in English.

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by KoftaBob »

acdha wrote: post #484
KoftaBob wrote: post #465

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If you want to research yourself, here's the Arabic version of Al Jazeera's Israel-Palestine coverage translated to English: https://www-aljazeera-net.translate.goog/where/arab/palestin...

That’s an error page but also it seems like you’re conceding the point if you can’t provide a single link and are basically telling someone to comb through the output of a large media organization to try to find support for someone else’s argument. At the very least, the Wikipedia criticism page would be a good place to start doing your own research: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera_controversies_and_c...

I'm not the original commenter that made the claim, I'm just saying that anyone who wants to check for themselves can use the Arabic Al Jazeera and translate it into English.

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by mrtksn »

guappa wrote: post #655
mrtksn wrote: post #330

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That's correct and IMHO its the right thing to do when shooting begins because when people shoot each other this is no longer a discussion and the press is part of the warfare. Remember all the Russian media and social media accounts claiming that its American hysteria that they will invade Ukraine? They denied and mocked anyone who claimed that they will invade up until the tanks rolled in. Personally, I'm critical…

It's a bit ironic how we are constantly reminded that china isn't a democracy because they have censorship, while we are free and democratic and don't have censorship (except we do). Italy is passing laws to be able to block websites within 30 minutes, without any oversight from any judge. (more details here, link in italian https://stop-piracy-shield.it/ )

I’m also quite concerned about the Western world adopting the Chinese style of governance but censorship at wartime is very different from censorship at peace time.

False information leading to spreading misguided ideas is deadly at wartime because there is no time to address it.

I definitely don’t support Italy blocking websites or the US blocking apps.

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by gaoryrt »

joecool1029 wrote: post #110
nkurz wrote: post #18

How much precedent is there for this? Are there parallels for other countries? Does the US prohibit any news agencies from operating in our borders? Does Europe? Does Russia? Does China? I presume North Korea does, but I don't actually know. These aren't designed to be leading questions. I don't know the answers, and rather than searching, I figured someone else here might know offhand.

I'll try to tackle this as objectively as possible. Not many countries enshrine press freedom as a constitutional right. US can't directly shut down news agencies by law but there are other less direct ways to restrict their ability to operate (like not granting visas). The US has all sorts of fringe news outlets, including some run by cults like Falun Gong: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Tang_Dynasty_Television )…

Also one can get killed if he is a boeing whistleblower.

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by benja123 »

cies wrote: post #682
benja123 wrote: post #646

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Israeli here - I just checked and I can still access the site in both English and Arabic. My guess is you won’t actually see the site being blocked.

After rt.com et al were blocked in the EU they also kept working for a few more week/months before I had to use a mirror/VPN to read the new paper of "the enemy". Side note: I though being able to read the news of the enemy was testimony to the moral high ground of a "modern free and democratic society". No more moral high ground if you are trying to shape the perception of the public with censorship.

I personally don't support blocking Al Jazeera. It's not that I'm a fan of them or any news station operated under a dictatorship without free press. It's clear that Al Jazeera acts as the propaganda wing of the Qatari government, and Qatar, being one of the main sponsors of Hamas, uses it to effectively spread Hamas propaganda. However, the real question is what does blocking them achieve. Does it stop their influence? No. Does it make them harder to watch here? No. Are the people advocating for their blockage even watching it? Likely not. It's mostly done because it's something the government can claim to have achieved for what remains of their base. I'm skeptical that the blocking of the website will actually occur, as it will probably be challenged in court.

Regardless, in a democracy, internet censorship is a slippery slope, and for that reason, I am against it in most cases.

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Post by medo-bear »

actionfromafar wrote: post #687
medo-bear wrote: post #650

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I dont think the EU is at war

Someone is blowing up military facilities in the EU though. So if at war or not is starting to be open to interpretation.

Whats open to interpretation? If sabotage = war we would have seen ww3 several decades ago.

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Post by vdsk »

jquery wrote: post #600
xdennis wrote: post #513

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I did not read the whole thing, I read far enough to realize the methodology was garbage. The article basically says anyone ever associated with Hamas or resisting the IDF is a legitimate military target. Let's try switching that around. Anyone who served in the IDF or spoke positively of a successful attack of Israel against Palestine is a legitimate military target and not a journalist? No, this is obviously nonsen…

> Anyone who served in the IDF or spoke positively of a successful attack of Israel against Palestine is a legitimate military target and not a journalist?

This very specific point is made almost always by Hamas and co to justify indiscriminate firing of rockets into populated areas. "No civilians because everyone has done military time or is a reservist, even women" is a very, very common point.

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Post by logicchains »

mrtksn wrote: post #695
guappa wrote: post #655

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a bit ironic how we are constantly reminded that china isn't a democracy because they have censorship, while we are free and democratic and don't have censorship (except we do). Italy is passing laws to be able to block websites within 30 minutes, without any oversight from any judge. (more details here, link in italian https://stop-piracy-shield.it/ )

I’m also quite concerned about the Western world adopting the Chinese style of governance but censorship at wartime is very different from censorship at peace time. False information leading to spreading misguided ideas is deadly at wartime because there is no time to address it. I definitely don’t support Italy blocking websites or the US blocking apps.

>I’m also quite concerned about the Western world adopting the Chinese style of governance but censorship at wartime is very different from censorship at peace time

If you allow this then the government will just forever find excuses to be at war.

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