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Re: Flags Are Not Languages

#181
post #94

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What's annoying is that Google is forcing me to use some of its products in Russian which is offensive to me!

Explain? Why can't you use English for example?

In my settings I applied Kyrgyz as my primary language and English as the second one: https://imgz.org/iCtBEEby.png

For some reason Google decides that I prefer Russian even if I am forcing it to use English (assuming that `?hl=en` switches the interface language): https://imgz.org/i36byD3g.png

Re: Flags Are Not Languages

#182
post #27
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But the flag was useful to show in the ui where the language setting was. This is especially useful when the language has been set to something I cannot read. I don't know which of 语言设定 and 重置设备 will allow me to set the language back to English. Also flags in the menu means that I can find English easier than 英语

You solve this by displaying the language in its original writing. So it's not swiss but Schwitzerisch!

That doesn't help you figure out where to go to change the setting, unless you want to list all the available language options at the top of every single page.

Re: Flags Are Not Languages

#183

Still a lot of websites (including Google) ignore "Accept-Language" header, and show language based on my geolocated IP address. Dude, if I'm visiting Netherlands it doesn't mean I speak Dutch. At least I can guess some words cause it's Latin alphabet. But when I visited Georgia I had no idea what მიღება even sounds like.

Learning many writing systems is my hobby. But despite having learned the Georgian alphabet and being able to read მიღება as "migheba" I still am none the wiser since I have no idea what that means. Today my kid bought a pokemon toy and the box was only in Japanese. I proudly deciphered ニャスパー as "nyas'paa" but my son only recognized the name when I googled it and found the English spelling "nyasper" (we're not native…

There's a joke in here with the pokemon's name with how it doesn't match with its actual english name

Re: Flags Are Not Languages

#184
post #2

Counterpoint to this website: it is convenient to have symbols to represent things. I don't see them suggesting anything better than flags.

The world emoji or just a grid-sphere symbol are the closest I've seen to hit the mark where flags aren't visible.

Same with the "cog" for settings. I always know where settings are even on my chinese co-worker's phone.

Re: Flags Are Not Languages

#185
post #8
post #4

But the flag was useful to show in the ui where the language setting was. This is especially useful when the language has been set to something I cannot read. I don't know which of 语言设定 and 重置设备 will allow me to set the language back to English. Also flags in the menu means that I can find English easier than 英语

Wikipedia uses a “文A” icon; IMHO far better than a flag. What flag would you expect to see? As for finding the language in the menu, listening a language in the foreign language seems like bad design too. The menu should list “English” as an option! See: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language#/languages

The 文 also appears in the Google Translate icon on iOS [0], which is why I always attributed it to a machine translation, not a version of the article written in another language by a human.

[0] https://apps.apple.com/us/app/google-translate/id414706506

Re: Flags Are Not Languages

#186
post #29

I fairly often find myself deciding between flag of the United Kingdom or the flag of the United States of America as a choice for ‘English’ wondering will this just be different spelling or will there be some other ill effect of choosing the wrong one. I live in neither country, of course.

Just be neutral and go for India. Or Australia. Or randomly pick from all English speaking countries...

In that situation my country would probably be an option so I wouldn’t be choosing between UK or USA…

Re: Flags Are Not Languages

#187

I fairly often find myself deciding between flag of the United Kingdom or the flag of the United States of America as a choice for ‘English’ wondering will this just be different spelling or will there be some other ill effect of choosing the wrong one. I live in neither country, of course.

> will there be some other ill effect of choosing the wrong one I recently tried to switch the locale of my work computer to en-GB, on a en-US distro and retaining the en-US keyboard layout. The result is... unpleasant and some things (notably vSphere) just casually ignore both the user software settings (Firefox) and the OS settings.

We _cannot_ get our office 365 environment to consistently use the correct locale. It’s shockingly frustrating to find yet another place that uses U.S. date format and spelling.

Re: Flags Are Not Languages

#188
post #170

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Hidden deeply in browser settings because the browser should inherit the locale from your OS, right?

Absolutely not. I don't want the same language on all apps and the one I have on apps is not necessary the one I want on your site.

That’s exactly what I would want. My phone is set to a certain locale and language. By default I would want my apps to appear in that language, and websites. I may want to set a particular website to another language, and I’d appreciate a setting in the site that does it, but it should respect my default first. Up a level, if I want all websites in a different language than my OS, I’d go digging for a setting in the browser. But by default, the entire stack should respect the setting I configured at the top.

Re: Flags Are Not Languages

#189

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> The question isn't "where are you from", but "which country speaks a language that is similar to how you speak" Exactly. And that's the problem. There are countries where more than one language are officially spoken and differ (in the case of German enough that neither German nor Austrian German are usable, whereas German German is usable for Austrian German and vice versa) and these languages do not have their own…

You seem to be approaching this backwards. Swiss German is German. It gets a German flag. Swiss French is French. It gets a French flag. As a Brit you get used to American flags to denote English. It's just not a big deal. I mean I even use US English most of the time as I prefer the keyboard layout. Barely any languages exist in the world without an associated country. You're looking for a problem where none exists.…

This is an unbelievably ignorant comment. As someone else pointed out, Swiss German is not the same as German and there are many (widely spoken) languages that are spoken in many different countries as there are many countries where many different languages are spoken.

The entire point of TFA is that there isn’t a simple mapping between flags of countries and languages so we should probably stop trying to create one.

> Back in my day we all had to use ASCII, etc etc.

And it turned out that this assumption was a bad one hence the need for Unicode. Why make the same mistake again?

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