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Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by Hock88sdx »

angra_mainyu wrote: post #309
patall wrote: post #280

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have examples for Europe blocking Russia? Because all I have seen is DNS providers omitting certain sites (i.e RT), but their apps still work (plus URLs when using other DNS). An nothing of that coming from the nation states as all seems to be due to the activities of private companies doing these things.

rt.com and their twitter are blocked. How are you not aware of this? It's been a few years already. The EU ruled on this. https://paste.pics/4b60ebef97d3b7fbb6aba74637c2e818 https://paste.pics/0cb2ae98754165dad5cf086e75c4cc31

Many using VPN. For example if you set the VPN servers to HK, RT will display as usual. In general I notice my peers will use anti-west countries based servers for censored western news and the reverse for anti-east. Some do use it so intuitively they might not realized RT or any Russian sites blocked. A lot of time I just assume it is due to network outages.

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Post by xyst »

When you want to control the narrative. Block out any independent journalists. Use your leveraged/blackmailed journalists or state news to push propaganda.

The amount of blood the current Israeli government is willing to shed is just creating future generations of terrorists. Hamas may eventually get rooted. But only at significant cost of civilian life. The Israeli-Palestinian war will never end. Violence begets violence.

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Post by avip »

crazygringo wrote: post #406
Rebelgecko wrote: post #398

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As someone who was only familiar with Al Jazeera's English reporting (and thought it was pretty good), it was eye opening to check out their Arabic website translated into a language I speak. Maybe Google Translate was erasing some nuance, but I saw a huge number of controversial, disputed, or downright false claims that were reported uncritically as facts.

Can you provide specifics? I'm looking at the Google Translate version of their Arabic site right now: https://www-aljazeera-net.translate.goog/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_t... It's all looking like pretty standard news stuff to me. And I don't know about you, but I see "controversial, disputed, or downright false claims that were reported uncritically as facts" all the time even in mainstream US publications. So I'd need to s…

Let me help you. Searching is difficult. Examples are in English, to avoid any "lost in translation" issues.

Here's Al-Jazeera echoing completely made up rape accusations. Why were the accusations retracted? https://honestreporting.com/damage-done-how-al-jazeeras-fake...

Here's the (English) report on the Israeli strike (that wasn't) that (didn't) kill 500 in Al-Ahli hospital - a widely quoted and echoed further lie https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2023/10/17/photos-an-israe...

I can go on but I think it's better you continue the search.

[EDIT: fixed typo in hospital name]

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Post by C6JEsQeQa5fCjE »

kergonath wrote: post #131
dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #46

If I was Jewish I'd be very upset of what is being done in my name. The Israeli government, by insisting any criticism is antisemitic, is equating Judaism with its own actions. With their existing extreme, brazen and opportunistic behavior they're slowly mainstreaming antisemitism as outrage grows at the government and people accept being called 'antisemitic' if they oppose it. It's a tragedy for Jews. I don't say th…

It’s a standard behaviour in theocracies. Being against the Al-Sauds means being against Islam (according to the Saudi government), other governments do that too. Being against Trump is being against Christianism (according to Republican fundamentalists, hopefully those won’t end up in the cabinet again). The State props up the religion by normalising it and undermining its competition, and the religion props up the…

> Being against the Al-Sauds means being against Islam (according to the Saudi government)

Pretty much every of the hundreds of millions of muslims who live outside Saudi Arabia (and probably a large number of those who live inside it) laugh at that, and despise the Saudi regime. If you do not believe me, try talking to some and asking them.

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

angra_mainyu wrote: post #244
Animats wrote: post #150

"and block its websites." So this keeps Israelis from reading Al Jazeera. Now that's new. Israel started Internet censorship in 2017.[1] Initially it was limited to "terror group websites, online illegal gambling, prostitution services, hard drug sales". At the time, "due to warnings from rights groups that the law poses a slippery slope toward additional censorship, the final version of the legislation dictates that…

Europe has done the same with Russia. Also, I think a few other Arab countries like Egypt have blocked/banned Al Jazeera.

> Europe has done the same with Russia.

Not really. Top Russian officials, say Dmitri Medvedev, are still shitposting on twitter:

> Macron preparing to go to kyiv? But he's a zoological coward!

Most Russian news websites are still up, say vesti.ru

And Russia is active participant in a war, while Quatar is not bombing anyone.

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Post by Cyph0n »

noqc wrote: post #424
Rebelgecko wrote: post #398

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who was only familiar with Al Jazeera's English reporting (and thought it was pretty good), it was eye opening to check out their Arabic website translated into a language I speak. Maybe Google Translate was erasing some nuance, but I saw a huge number of controversial, disputed, or downright false claims that were reported uncritically as facts.

Took the same path recently. Probably the easiest thing to point to if you're looking for something to convince people of Al Jazeera's nature, (besides specific articles), is the incredible amount of time and editorial space devoted to Yusuf al-Qaradawi on the arabic channel (before his death). The man had an audience of 60 million people for a decade and a half, and could reasonably be called the face of Al Jazeera…

Just to clarify: that clip was broadcast on a separate channel called AJ Live (“Mubasher”). It’s a 24/7 channel that basically broadcasts entire live events and re-runs - think press conferences, speeches, etc. I would compare it to something like C-SPAN in the US.

Now, how much editorial input AJ has over this channel, that I don’t know.

Edit: Kind of proud that my quick explanation lines up pretty well with the wiki entry haha: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera_Mubasher

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Post by omegaworks »

avip wrote: post #312
whatshisface wrote: post #302

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> Why would you allow that to continue in your country? We have a constitution that protects our rights, and among them a right to make up our minds on the basis of an uncensored discourse. That's the other, implicit half of the first amendment: the right to listen to what others want to tell you.

Can you openly call for the murder of in the US under the protection of the first amendment ?

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Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by rendall »

crazygringo wrote: post #336
candiodari wrote: post #320

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Can you please provide links? It's hard for me to believe that your "Arabic" version is genuine. But if that's just me being naive, then I'd like to understand the truth, but I need actual evidence for that. So if there are genuine headlines like that on Al Jazeera, it should be trivial for you to provide a couple of representative links that we can run through Google Translate to verify?

Here you go. https://www.aljazeera.net/news/liveblog/2023/10/7/%D9%82%D8%...

Really was not hard to find.

So, for instance:

"تواصلت الاشتباكات بين القوات الإسرائيلية ومقاومين فلسطينيين بمواقع داخل إسرائيل، وذلك مع دخول اليوم الثالث من عملية طوفان الأقصى التي أطلقتها كتائب عز الدين القسام التابعة لحركة المقاومة الإسلامية حماس ضد الاحتلال الإسرائيلي..."

"The clashes between the Israeli forces and Palestinian resistance fighters continued at locations inside Israel, as the third day of the Al-Aqsa Flood operation launched by the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades of the Islamic Resistance Movement Hamas against the Israeli occupation proceeds..."

1. "مقاومين فلسطينيين" (Palestinian resistance fighters): The term "resistance fighters" conveys a sense of legitimacy and heroism to the Palestinian combatants, compared to more neutral terms like "militants" or "combatants."

2. "الاحتلال الإسرائيلي" (the Israeli occupation): This phrase inherently carries a negative connotation and frames Israel as an occupying force, which is a viewpoint that aligns with Palestinian narratives and is contentious in international discussions.

3. "عملية طوفان الأقصى" (Al-Aqsa Flood operation): The operation's name itself, invoking the Al-Aqsa mosque—a highly symbolic and emotive site in the conflict—suggests a righteous or justified struggle, further aligning the narrative with Palestinian perspectives.

These choices in vocabulary serve to frame the conflict in a way that emphasizes Palestinian resistance against an unjust "occupation," aligning closely with the Palestinian viewpoint and potentially eliciting a sympathetic response from Arab audiences.

This framing influences how readers perceive the events, creating a less neutral, more partisan view of the conflict.

https://www.aljazeera.net/news/liveblog/2023/10/7/%D9%82%D8%...

This language makes it extremely difficult to have a conversation about the conflict. Everything Israel does is framed as nefarious and evil.

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Post by corinroyal »

robert_foss wrote: post #217
YZF wrote: post #126

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Qatar is not exactly a belligerent but it hosts the Hamas leadership. It has been funding Hamas and other groups. It (partly) funds Al Jazeera. Al Jazeera is considered by some to be its PR/Propaganda arm and has a low standard for factual reporting - https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/al-jazeera/

Isreal has funded Hamas directly too. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-q...

Yes, it's real.
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