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Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by kelthuzad »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #161
kelthuzad wrote: post #153

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I wouldn't classify murdering 30k+ civilians (15k+ children), dropping bombs on entire families, being caught[0] executing civilians with drones in plain view, having israeli holocaust scholars and survivors describing israel's actions as "textbook-case of genocide"[1][2], the world seeing israel as an illegitimate pariah state, as "winning", but you do you. [0] "Note that this footage permits no room for "it was a m…

Winning is based on war aims. Israel's were the return of captives and removal of Hamas. It is further along in those aims than it was in the aftermath of the October 7 attacks; that's fairly defined as winning. (Taken to the extreme, Nazi Germany was winning WWII in 1940.) > the world seeing israel as an illegitimate pariah state Your other claims are true. This one is not.

>> the world seeing israel as an illegitimate pariah state

>Your other claims are true. This one is not.

I should have phrased that more precisely but I was just judging by what Israel's ministry of hasbara itself seems to be most concerned with and fears the most is people questioning israel's legitimacy. Combined with the sentiment that can be seen across social media where even regular folks have started seeing israel as a racist settler colonial project that has no legitimacy. But you're correct, my previous wording was too ambiguous since "the world" is too broad and can refer to too many things.

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Post by suddenexample »

Animats wrote: post #150

"and block its websites." So this keeps Israelis from reading Al Jazeera. Now that's new. Israel started Internet censorship in 2017.[1] Initially it was limited to "terror group websites, online illegal gambling, prostitution services, hard drug sales". At the time, "due to warnings from rights groups that the law poses a slippery slope toward additional censorship, the final version of the legislation dictates that…

> The US White House press secretary issued a weak statement condemning Israel's action, but it was on April 1st and the costumed Easter Bunny overshadowed that statement.[7]

Wow you can't make this stuff up

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Post by nothercastle »

x3n0ph3n3 wrote: post #9

@dang -- you're not going to get the polite, respectful conversation on this topic that I think you're hoping for. Instead, you're going to get criticisms on the legitimacy of each organization involved in this conflict. I don't understand why you even want this topic on HackerNews.

Seems pretty civil at the moment

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Post by qarl »

underdeserver wrote: post #165
qarl wrote: post #20

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Yeah, I'm totally with you. At this point it's like the Hatfields and the McCoys. I don't care what was the last thing the other guy did - he did it to get back at you for the second to last thing you did. On the other hand, killing children is always wrong. Fucking stop it.

A man comes into your house. His 2-year old is in a baby carrier on his chest. He has a gun and is firing at you. Your wife and 5 year old son are behind you on the couch, and you have a gun too. Do you shoot back? Did you just hesitate? A bullet just scraped your wife on the side of the leg. Hesitated again? Son just got a bullet in his arm. You fire three bullets. The baby is dead and so is the intruder. Are you in…

HEH. I'm afraid we're just going to have to agree to disagree.

Killing children is always wrong.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

underdeserver wrote: post #209
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #179

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> baby is dead and so is the intruder....Are you in the wrong here? Yes, what was done is wrong. It might be justified, even forgivable. But it's still wrong.

On that we agree. It is wrong. But you're either wrong or dead.

> It is wrong. But you're either wrong or dead.

In your example, yes. Reality is more complicated; that usually gives reasonable people room to disagree.

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Post by cma »

cjk2 wrote: post #176

Just a point about Al Jazeera that is worth mentioning. There are two Al Jazeeras. One which is presented to Western audiences and one which is presented to Middle-Eastern audiences. The media and articles are politically aligned in each region. Don't assume what you read in the US/UK/wherever is the same as over there. In the case of Israel, the Middle-Eastern unit were literally showing videos demanding further upr…

> It's even banned in some Arab countries for being a security risk.

Saudi Arabia is not exactly a bastion of free speech and murdered US journalist Jamal Khashoggi using the cover of an embassy. Not exactly a great endorsement of what Israel is doing here.

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Post by robert_foss »

YZF wrote: post #126
NewJazz wrote: post #79

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Is Qatar a belligerent in the war? Belarus has allowed Russia to use their territory as a point from which to launch both ground assaults and missiles into Ukraine. Hard to say the same about Qatar and Hamas. If Al Jazeera were an Iranian publication the comparison might be more similar. Israeli news reports and analysts say Qatar has sent more than $1 billion to Gaza over the past decade. Qatar sent that aid through…

Qatar is not exactly a belligerent but it hosts the Hamas leadership. It has been funding Hamas and other groups. It (partly) funds Al Jazeera. Al Jazeera is considered by some to be its PR/Propaganda arm and has a low standard for factual reporting - https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/al-jazeera/

Isreal has funded Hamas directly too.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-q...

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Post by flumpcakes »

trandango wrote: post #169
YZF wrote: post #117

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There are also many other foreign journalists in Israel. Other than Al Jazeera there are no restrictions on foreign media from operating in Israel. Certainly not western foreign media.

There absolutely are restrictions. No journalists are allowed in Gaza, which is at odds with almost every other conflict in the past hundred years. The stated reason is "to keep journalists safe". But journalists have risked their lives in many conflicts to bring the news to people, its their choice to risk their life or not. Unless one were to believe that all journalists biased against israel, there is no reason to…

Is this true? I do not think journalists are just allowed to the front lines of any war. The entire Gaza strip seems like one giant front line. There needs to be more journalists reporting but I think just allowing anyone to walk anywhere because they've got 'press' on their jacket is probably just going to end up with dead journalists considering journalists will want to be were the fighting is and will gravitate towards danger.

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Post by bawolff »

avip wrote: post #157
loceng wrote: post #43

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The opinion of Israel’s majority about the government would usually be measured by elections, not social media.

From what i understand, most polls in Israel suggest that if an election happened right now, the current government would lose.
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