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Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by yonixw »

vbezhenar wrote: post #98
yonixwm wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the other extreme, Are media that spread misinformation without any due process are just protected indefinitely? Like in this very recent case: https://honestreporting.com/damage-done-how-al-jazeeras-fake... Edit: haaretz link: https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/palestinians/2024-0...

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> Words are not knifes. People eventually will adapt to lies and weird things. And truth will find a way.

I really see it differently that both ends are equally bad. After all, on the same night that the BBC announced 500 dead after the "bombing" at a hospital in Gaza, which turned out to be a Hamas missile that fell and killed at most 50 there... crowds took to the streets and created a threat to Israeli embassies around the world.

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by kevingadd »

siva7 wrote: post #13

I've recently visited my parents in europe. I have no affiliations with Israel or Jews. My parents watched a local Al-Jazeera channel in their mother tongue since Qatar seems to strategically deploy satellite offices of Al-Jazeera in different countries, even european. Boy was i shocked at the level of propaganda from this channel. Basically all day in big letters "genocide in gaza" with anti-jewish paroles. I can un…

Sincere question: what was propaganda about it? Was it openly anti semitic blood libel stuff? Debunked claims? Or something else?

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Post by sam1r »

kelthuzad wrote: post #50
yonixwm wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the other extreme, Are media that spread misinformation without any due process are just protected indefinitely? Like in this very recent case: https://honestreporting.com/damage-done-how-al-jazeeras-fake... Edit: haaretz link: https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/palestinians/2024-0...

"honestreporting.com" is ironically dishonestly reporting, it's a propaganda outlet with no credibility.

Maybe the “actual” news should be rebranded to “fake news” in rebuttal.

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Post by arp242 »

darkclouds wrote: post #108
afavour wrote: post #15

I’m not sure about “dark day for the media” but it does feel like a dark day for Israel. Once you’ve established that the government can unilaterally ban a voice for reasons of “national security” you’ve essentially given them a free pass. As Americans living post-9/11 will know, “national security” is a deliberately elastic term that can cover anything required in the moment.

Lets not forget that the British Govt banned Russia Today from broadcasting in the UK a few years back. Such is their planning and manipulation of events on the global stage! https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/mar/18/will-ofcoms-de... Notice a pattern with the British Govt? They get their "independent" depts and businesses to do their dirty work for deniability!

Russian government literally assassinated or tried to assassinate several people in British territory. That the Russian government's propaganda arm hadn't been given the boot after these spectacular acts of bad faith demonstrates that the UK government perhaps has slightly more dedication to press freedom than you're suggesting.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

Bullfight2Cond wrote: post #42
nkurz wrote: post #18

How much precedent is there for this? Are there parallels for other countries? Does the US prohibit any news agencies from operating in our borders? Does Europe? Does Russia? Does China? I presume North Korea does, but I don't actually know. These aren't designed to be leading questions. I don't know the answers, and rather than searching, I figured someone else here might know offhand.

RT was heavily censored in the USA and is banned in several European countries. Press censorship is pretty much the norm in 'western democracies' similar to everywhere else.

> RT was heavily censored in the USA

Source?

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by YZF »

NewJazz wrote: post #79
brabel wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The EU has banned many Russian and Belarussian news sources since the invasion of Ukraine. The USA seems to not have followed through (as far as I know - as Russian news sites seem to be available).

Is Qatar a belligerent in the war? Belarus has allowed Russia to use their territory as a point from which to launch both ground assaults and missiles into Ukraine. Hard to say the same about Qatar and Hamas. If Al Jazeera were an Iranian publication the comparison might be more similar. Israeli news reports and analysts say Qatar has sent more than $1 billion to Gaza over the past decade. Qatar sent that aid through…

Qatar is not exactly a belligerent but it hosts the Hamas leadership. It has been funding Hamas and other groups. It (partly) funds Al Jazeera. Al Jazeera is considered by some to be its PR/Propaganda arm and has a low standard for factual reporting - https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/al-jazeera/

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

verdverm wrote: post #52
stoperaticless wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tic toc was recently banned in US.

TikTok wasn't banned explicitly. They are required to divest within a year. If they don't, then the app becomes banned It is likely more countries will follow. India trail blazed by banning TikTok almost 4 years ago after the border skirmish with China

> TikTok wasn't banned explicitly. They are required to divest within a year. If they don't, then the app becomes banned

Note, too, the difference between the app being banned and the source being banned. TikTok.com will continue to resolve even if they remain under Chinese control.

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Post by kevingadd »

Beefin wrote: post #116
TaylorAlexander wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many people would say “genocide in gaza” is exactly what the television should be saying.

its not a genocide by any definition.

You can think what you want but to act like this is undisputed is a bit silly.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/02/26/israel-not-complying-wor...

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Post by verdverm »

NewJazz wrote: post #85
user982 wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know how to interpret the front page saying "More than 100 journalists killed in six months in Gaza" directly above a "real time" abuse barometer saying that 12 journalists have been killed worldwide in 2024.

There hasn't been six months in 2024 yet, for one. Many of the deaths could have been in Nov and Dec.

The problem is, if you look at 2023, they only count 50 deaths in the barometer.

Something is definitely amiss, see my peer comment

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Post by bentley »

Bullfight2Cond wrote: post #42
nkurz wrote: post #18

How much precedent is there for this? Are there parallels for other countries? Does the US prohibit any news agencies from operating in our borders? Does Europe? Does Russia? Does China? I presume North Korea does, but I don't actually know. These aren't designed to be leading questions. I don't know the answers, and rather than searching, I figured someone else here might know offhand.

RT was heavily censored in the USA and is banned in several European countries. Press censorship is pretty much the norm in 'western democracies' similar to everywhere else.

> RT was heavily censored in the USA

How heavily has RT been censored in the USA? Has the government ever censored it or pressured others to censor it, or is it just that links/rebroadcasts have been dropped by private entities of their own volition?

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