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Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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How much precedent is there for this? Are there parallels for other countries? Does the US prohibit any news agencies from operating in our borders? Does Europe? Does Russia? Does China? I presume North Korea does, but I don't actually know. These aren't designed to be leading questions. I don't know the answers, and rather than searching, I figured someone else here might know offhand.

Tic toc was recently banned in US.

It's a forced divestment; they weren't banned but have a year to comply.

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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post #18

How much precedent is there for this? Are there parallels for other countries? Does the US prohibit any news agencies from operating in our borders? Does Europe? Does Russia? Does China? I presume North Korea does, but I don't actually know. These aren't designed to be leading questions. I don't know the answers, and rather than searching, I figured someone else here might know offhand.

RT was heavily censored in the USA and is banned in several European countries. Press censorship is pretty much the norm in 'western democracies' similar to everywhere else.

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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I’m not sure about “dark day for the media” but it does feel like a dark day for Israel. Once you’ve established that the government can unilaterally ban a voice for reasons of “national security” you’ve essentially given them a free pass. As Americans living post-9/11 will know, “national security” is a deliberately elastic term that can cover anything required in the moment.

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Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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post #18

How much precedent is there for this? Are there parallels for other countries? Does the US prohibit any news agencies from operating in our borders? Does Europe? Does Russia? Does China? I presume North Korea does, but I don't actually know. These aren't designed to be leading questions. I don't know the answers, and rather than searching, I figured someone else here might know offhand.

Lots of democracy limit journalism during war.

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having spent entire days moderating previous threads on this topic, I know what kind of conversation we're likely to get. But abandoning discussion altogether is also not an option. > I don't understand why you even want this topic on HackerNews. I don't think I'd say 'want' (what I want is to spend Sunday afternoons working on something else), but the issue is the principles by which we moderate the site. If you loo…

I've been part of this but these are different than the typical political heated discussions on HN like in the trump era. These here tend to swift quickly into antisemitism.

Comments do that are usually swiftly and correctly flagged by users (or mods). In egregious cases, or repeated cases, we warn and/or ban the account.

If you see cases where this is not true, the most likely reason is that we haven't seen them yet. (We don't see everything that gets posted to HN, or even everything that gets posted to a large thread.) The thing to do then is flag the comment (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html#cflag) and/or to email us at hn@ycombinator.com in egregious cases.

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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If I was Jewish I'd be very upset of what is being done in my name. The Israeli government, by insisting any criticism is antisemitic, is equating Judaism with its own actions. With their existing extreme, brazen and opportunistic behavior they're slowly mainstreaming antisemitism as outrage grows at the government and people accept being called 'antisemitic' if they oppose it. It's a tragedy for Jews.

I don't say this as a personal view, but as a logical inevitability.

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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You can make a parallel with Russia Today being (effectively) banned in the US (albeit not via direct government action). Both are just mouthpieces of their respective masters and not a source of objective information.

That said, banning media presence in Gaza by Israel, and the overall hesitance of western media to report on the devastation is very disappointing.

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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post #39
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having spent entire days moderating previous threads on this topic, I know what kind of conversation we're likely to get. But abandoning discussion altogether is also not an option. > I don't understand why you even want this topic on HackerNews. I don't think I'd say 'want' (what I want is to spend Sunday afternoons working on something else), but the issue is the principles by which we moderate the site. If you loo…

> But abandoning discussion altogether is also not an option. I don't see why not. Just because it's hard doesn't mean it shouldn't be an option. This attitude toward moderation is a large reason I do not participate on this site like I used to.

The site hasn't changed in this respect. If you look at the examples in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17014869, you'll see that all these things—the moderation approach to politics and all the common complaints—go back 15 years.

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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The optics are interesting. People who have opinions on things are unlikely to change them due to this.

The interesting question is how many people do not have strong opinions and how this could affect them.

My guess is it also won't. Why would you be paying attention to news you haven't cared about up to now? The nonopinionated will likely not hear of this

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Any regime that seeks to suppress the media can't be up to any good, IMO.

On the other extreme, Are media that spread misinformation without any due process are just protected indefinitely? Like in this very recent case: https://honestreporting.com/damage-done-how-al-jazeeras-fake... Edit: haaretz link: https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/palestinians/2024-0...

"honestreporting.com" is ironically dishonestly reporting, it's a propaganda outlet with no credibility.
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