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MIT abandons requirement of DEI statements for hiring and promotions

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Re: MIT abandons requirement of DEI statements for hiring and promotions

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So what are the actual statements being banned? The article gives zero useful details.

Seconded. Futhermore, the counterexample cited, teaching adult literacy, seems like a good way of furthering equity and inclusion to me. This sounded like the author contradicting themselves.

The author agrees with you. The point is that teaching adult literacy is out of scope for DEI statements. You can't mention it in a DEI statement.

Re: MIT abandons requirement of DEI statements for hiring and promotions

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Race is a distraction from the ultimate divide: class . IMO, every policy that wants to promote equality should revolve solely around class. In every place on earth, richer upper-class people are more advantaged than those from the lower classes. Every social policy should focus on lessening that gap (I recognize that the gap can't be closed entirely).

100% ^. But then it ends up being tied to race since black folks are on average coming from a less wealthier class than white people. And class is hard to judge objectively. If you go by income tax, many wealthy people show very little income since they live on their family wealth. E.g a house fully paid off and only earning meager income from a side business, while their stocks they inherited are climbing millions i…

> But then it ends up being tied to race since black folks are on average coming from a less wealthier class than white people.

Yes, addressing class inequality will also help to address racial inequality.

Seems like a strength, not a weakness.

Re: MIT abandons requirement of DEI statements for hiring and promotions

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Clicked through some links in the article. Really mind boggling material. How did such garbage end up in top universities is really weird.

I don't understand how this crap got into America of all countries

Cause few are brave enough to stick their neck out and stand up to it. Those who do are called nasty names and are forced to withstand a ideological purity trial that carries some potential of being fired.

There is a lot risk for a minor reward, especially if you don't actually care about the institution you are defending.

Re: MIT abandons requirement of DEI statements for hiring and promotions

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The American focus on race is a bit insane to outsiders. Putting such a big focus on race in university applications is just weird. Even worse, having top universities openly discriminate against people based on their race or heritage with affirmative action or similar policies, all in the name of equality, is unbelievable to Europeans like me. What the hell is wrong with the US if a person has a worse chance to be a…

Race is a distraction from the ultimate divide: class . IMO, every policy that wants to promote equality should revolve solely around class. In every place on earth, richer upper-class people are more advantaged than those from the lower classes. Every social policy should focus on lessening that gap (I recognize that the gap can't be closed entirely).

> every policy that wants to promote equality should revolve solely around class.

That was the case in USSR. There were university admission quotas for workers, peasants, etc. In practice, they resulted in discrimination agains Jewish applicants.

To fulfill the class quotas, the examiners had to fail a disproportionate number of some of the strongest applicants. A whole set of "Jewish problems", colloquially known as " coffins", was developed. At MIT, Tanya Khovanova has written on this subject.

Re: MIT abandons requirement of DEI statements for hiring and promotions

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How would academics react to mandates requiring them to declare their support for:

- Ensuring open access to research

- Committing to long-term, foundational research

- Prioritizing high-quality teaching and mentorship

- Embracing diverse viewpoints

- Questioning established academic orthodoxy

- Focusing research on public rather than personal gain

- Openly sharing data and methodologies

- Upholding research neutrality and objectivity against external influences

Re: MIT abandons requirement of DEI statements for hiring and promotions

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Pretty sure I didn't get a Stanford job in part because I didn't submit a DEI statement. It was optional, but clearly sort of like breathing is optional. I actually wrote one, had it reviewed, rewrote. As someone in federal government who made the mistake of being born white and male, but has worked their whole life on these issues (among many others) and made what I think are very defensibly equitable hiring and selection decisions that reflect the US in gender, race, and creed, the whole thing felt very ... icky.

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Hopefully this is the beginning of a trend.

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It's a natural consequence of the statistics that 1. people get more conservative on average as they get older, and the average age of most countries is steadily increasing, and 2. conservatives have more children on average, and political views are partially heritable.

Re: MIT abandons requirement of DEI statements for hiring and promotions

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The American focus on race is a bit insane to outsiders. Putting such a big focus on race in university applications is just weird. Even worse, having top universities openly discriminate against people based on their race or heritage with affirmative action or similar policies, all in the name of equality, is unbelievable to Europeans like me. What the hell is wrong with the US if a person has a worse chance to be a…

Race is a distraction from the ultimate divide: class . IMO, every policy that wants to promote equality should revolve solely around class. In every place on earth, richer upper-class people are more advantaged than those from the lower classes. Every social policy should focus on lessening that gap (I recognize that the gap can't be closed entirely).

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Re: MIT abandons requirement of DEI statements for hiring and promotions

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Race is a distraction from the ultimate divide: class . IMO, every policy that wants to promote equality should revolve solely around class. In every place on earth, richer upper-class people are more advantaged than those from the lower classes. Every social policy should focus on lessening that gap (I recognize that the gap can't be closed entirely).

Even lebron james gets the n word spray painted on his house. Class may be the main divide, but race is still an absolutely huge one that transcends class.

How?
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