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MIT abandons requirement of DEI statements for hiring and promotions

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Re: MIT abandons requirement of DEI statements for hiring and promotions

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Post by LaurensBER »

Although the intentions behind DEI are good such a top down approach doesn't seem to get the desired results (i.e optimal use of everyone's talent, irrespective of their colour, sex and/or identify).

Unfortunately the name (and perhaps ideas?) are now tainted and I hope this doesn't impact the bottom up approaches (i.e support kids and young adults with extra classes, trainings, and in general just being chill and accepting about people) which probably should have been the focus from the start.

Re: MIT abandons requirement of DEI statements for hiring and promotions

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Post by nsajko »

LaurensBER wrote: post #5

Although the intentions behind DEI are good such a top down approach doesn't seem to get the desired results (i.e optimal use of everyone's talent, irrespective of their colour, sex and/or identify). Unfortunately the name (and perhaps ideas?) are now tainted and I hope this doesn't impact the bottom up approaches (i.e support kids and young adults with extra classes, trainings, and in general just being chill and ac…

Were the intentions behind colonialism good, too, in your opinion?

Re: MIT abandons requirement of DEI statements for hiring and promotions

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Post by LaurensBER »

ssijak wrote: post #3

Clicked through some links in the article. Really mind boggling material. How did such garbage end up in top universities is really weird.

If you see yourself (or your group) as a victim it's easy to rationalize rather extreme measures to "fix" the world.

The intentions behind a lot of these things are good but the sensitivity of the subject has made it hard(er) to have a healthy discussion about these issues.

Re: MIT abandons requirement of DEI statements for hiring and promotions

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Post by selfmodruntime »

The American focus on race is a bit insane to outsiders. Putting such a big focus on race in university applications is just weird. Even worse, having top universities openly discriminate against people based on their race or heritage with affirmative action or similar policies, all in the name of equality, is unbelievable to Europeans like me. What the hell is wrong with the US if a person has a worse chance to be accepted into uni just because they happen to be born Asian? How is no one in DEI committees seeing the utter hypocrisy here?

I firmly believe that the US is your best chance when you look for a country with equality and acceptance regarding race, religion, and culture. A lot of my US friends experienced a dire wake-up call when visiting and finding their belief that Europe is more accepting and less conservative than the US to be dead wrong.

Re: MIT abandons requirement of DEI statements for hiring and promotions

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Post by crooked-v »

LaurensBER wrote: post #5

Although the intentions behind DEI are good such a top down approach doesn't seem to get the desired results (i.e optimal use of everyone's talent, irrespective of their colour, sex and/or identify). Unfortunately the name (and perhaps ideas?) are now tainted and I hope this doesn't impact the bottom up approaches (i.e support kids and young adults with extra classes, trainings, and in general just being chill and ac…

I think the more important question is: are the intentions to get actual results, or just to sidetrack anything that would take actual effort with 'but we have DEI statements'?
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