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MIT abandons requirement of DEI statements for hiring and promotions

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Post by leosanchez »

anonylizard wrote: post #17
leosanchez wrote: post #4

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I don't understand how this crap got into America of all countries

Certain people, discovered how easy it is, to change entire institutions, by applying targeted pressure towards individual managers of those institutions. No manager dares to refuse these initiatives because they'll be instantly named by the activist, with the help of journalist friends, and ensure they lose their job. Hence by going one at a time, a small group of activists can change far larger organisations. Of co…

> No manager dares to refuse these initiatives because they'll be instantly named by the activist, with the help of journalist friends, and ensure they lose their job.

Doesn't this feel very authoritarian ? Just replace manager with citizen and you have USSR.

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Post by leosanchez »

concordDance wrote: post #13
nsajko wrote: post #6

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Were the intentions behind colonialism good, too, in your opinion?

Probably depends on the colonialist. I expect many were in it for money at the expense of the colonised population, but I expect just as many did it to "civilize and raise up the barbarians as good christians".

> but I expect just as many did it to "civilize and raise up the barbarians as good christians".

Do you have any examples for this ?

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Post by silverquiet »

pelorat wrote: post #18
leosanchez wrote: post #4

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I don't understand how this crap got into America of all countries

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I often see the "complaint" (hard to find the right word here - it's discussed in somewhat coded/conspiratorial language for fear of sounding racist I'm sure) that when Indians are hired into a company, they'll then begin hiring more and more Indians. As you say, this is actually a rather natural human tendency and I doubt it's limited to Indians. Of course, many people here will also note that they get most of their jobs through their network (side note; it must be nice speaking as an introvert who just has to apply to jobs like a regular schlub). Well, if you're Indian, especially from India, I bet your network is going to be fairly Indian.

Re: MIT abandons requirement of DEI statements for hiring and promotions

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6312783123 wrote: post #26
MrSkelter wrote: post #25

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There is a huge difference between trying to counter institutional prejudice in order to improve the quality of the student body and work being done, and whatever you think a religious “pledge of allegiance” is. A pledge to God? The mishandling of DEI doesn’t invalidate the need to fix broken systems which fail to select the best people instead of those who score highest in easily gamed and inherently biased metrics.

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Post by 6312783123 »

MissTake wrote: post #28
6312783123 wrote: post #26

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The article actually doesn’t say any such thing. It simply assumes that a Chinese propaganda machine is focused only on “wokeism”. Dog forbid that they should seek to use propaganda to attack both sides - which is far more effective at spreading division.

Here's a book about it: David M. Jones, The Strategy of Maoism in the West - Rage and the Radical Left:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Strategy-Maoism-West-Rage-Radical/d...

https://gateway.ipfs.io/ipfs/bafykbzacedx5ta6zzpq2ix4km2x5sf...

"This notwithstanding, the passionate fervour that informs contemporary anti-racist rhetoric, and that of environmental groups such as Extinction Rebellion, and the LGBTQI+ (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer, intersex and other) movements that share its goals and feed off its righteous indignation, constitutes a calculated iconoclastic assault on the West’s history and culture."

"Culture war was, after all, one of the People’s Republic’s earliest exports to the West. In fact, the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) has, for years, explicitly viewed it as its ‘magic weapon’. Why, then, this book asks, did a twentieth-century Chinese revolutionary ideology become so adaptable and spectacularly successful in the West?"

By the way, I've been censored multiple times on this site, for criticizing the Chinese Communist Party and it's connections with the woke movement, by the way. It's awful.

My submission is now the top Google result for "beijing woke" and "woke propaganda war" right now, and the HN censorship is plainly visible for everyone to see worldwide.

It's the 7th result for the term "woke propaganda", by the way.

13:08 UTC: To any potential Chinese Communist Party trolls, the more you try to censor me, the more I'm going to be posting about you. Same for russian trolls. Your propaganda is destroying the lives of innocent people here in the West.

Re: MIT abandons requirement of DEI statements for hiring and promotions

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Post by Eddy_Viscosity2 »

pelorat wrote: post #18
leosanchez wrote: post #4

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I don't understand how this crap got into America of all countries

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> DEI is meant to be a counter to this.

If DEI was about removing barriers due to racial (both conscious and unconscious) biases, then it wouldn't be so controversial. For example, symphonies auditioning candidates behind a screen so they hiring people are only presented with the sound of their playing. But DEI is the opposite of that. It's about very explicitly identifying race/gender/etc up front and then using that as the primary basis for hiring decisions. Disqualifying someone because of their race is not only allowed but required by DEI policies.

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Post by Ekaros »

selfmodruntime wrote: post #29
pelorat wrote: post #22

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I'm European too and I can assure you that non-white people are discriminated at the admission stage to top European universities. Not via race, but via name. It's well known that universities and landlords reject people because they have a Muslim sounding name. We have DEI in Europe too, but here it's increasingly codified into law.

I can guarantee you this is not the case, at least at the uni where I‘m doing my PhD. There is no name in the admission system, it‘s done automatically by grades or tests most of the time.

Same, and even in the ones that have interview. I would guess outside very bad language skills it might even give boost...

Re: MIT abandons requirement of DEI statements for hiring and promotions

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Post by Eddy_Viscosity2 »

drewcoo wrote: post #20
LaurensBER wrote: post #7

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If you see yourself (or your group) as a victim it's easy to rationalize rather extreme measures to "fix" the world. The intentions behind a lot of these things are good but the sensitivity of the subject has made it hard(er) to have a healthy discussion about these issues.

But we're not talking about protected classes. They did not take "extreme measures." We're talking about large institutions adopting policies to shield themselves from potential lawsuits from protected classes.

> "extreme measures."

What is this [0] then?

[0] https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/can-job-postings-in-can...

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Post by inemesitaffia »

pelorat wrote: post #18
leosanchez wrote: post #4

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I don't understand how this crap got into America of all countries

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How did we end up with it ending up as "no more white males", white people excluded from events and buildings, people talking about how they like their white free orgs in publicly traded companies, companies with no white people in a white majority city described as diverse, someone posting on HN with a full sense of righteousness about the Google Gemini racism scandal that he'd consider a request for a photo containing only white people to an LLM suspect but one of any other ethnicity perfectly fine.

From me I'd like to ask where all the people from the Indian sub continent are in the Gemini Photos given they make a large percentage of developers at Google but are non existent in the output. Why the literal erasure of ~2 billion people?

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