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The IMEI Code: Your phone’s other number

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Re: The IMEI Code: Your phone’s other number

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A lot of telcos used to have phone numbers you could call that would just say the number you're calling from (like with a computerized voice). I forget what this was called, but it was talked about in phreaking community or so on. Not sure if these "caller identifier" phone numbers are still around today though.

They're called ANACs - automatic number announcement circuits.

Ah yeah that's right, thanks!

Re: The IMEI Code: Your phone’s other number

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The article literally talks about blacklisting and has a photo of what a blacklisted phone shows when this happens.

And what time frame did I apply for when I exited mobile?

Your entire comment makes it sound like your gripes are current issues, not those that you experienced decades ago in a completely different mobile landscape.

You continually use the present tense when the argument... just doesn't apply anymore.

> I think I’m more concerned with the fact that the carriers know the IMEI of phones and claim that they can do nothing about stolen phones.

This is not a fact anymore.

Re: The IMEI Code: Your phone’s other number

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This is 100% a privacy concern if you're dealing with state level actors.

I would think state level actors have enough tools to deal with this issue. If nothing else they could go the old fashioned way and just, you know, follow you.

It isn't usually the goal of SIGINT to only collect data about a target's location nor are targets always that easy to follow.

Re: The IMEI Code: Your phone’s other number

#154

The fact the IMEI is generally not editable seems like a massive privacy hole. Just let people edit it. Then I can be someone new every day and nobody can track me. Mac address randomization does that for wifi. Now do the same for mobile networks.

There were a lot of chinese made keiser phones that allows you to edit all the phone/sim related identifiers. Sadly they were discovered and rooted out of the amazon marketplace.

Re: The IMEI Code: Your phone’s other number

#155

Fun fact: Lots of cellular modem/routers have the easy ability to change IMEI. Doing so is a fairly common practice in the rural internet community. i.e., those using cellular for their internet access either because cable / fiber or an official cellular option like T-Mobile home internet is unavailable or they're mobile in an RV. These people are not trying to do anything particularly nefarious but they do it so tha…

Passive TCP/IP fingerprinting might tell a lot about the device. You could probably easily tell apart an iPad and a router. But if IMEI checking catches 95% of plan cheaters, it's probably not worth implementing more checks (more checks = more cost and infrastructure to maintain, is it cheaper than the lost revenue?).

This said, I find it insane that there are such plans. The cost of a connection should be the same whatever the device behind is.

Re: The IMEI Code: Your phone’s other number

#156

Fun fact: Lots of cellular modem/routers have the easy ability to change IMEI. Doing so is a fairly common practice in the rural internet community. i.e., those using cellular for their internet access either because cable / fiber or an official cellular option like T-Mobile home internet is unavailable or they're mobile in an RV. These people are not trying to do anything particularly nefarious but they do it so tha…

glorious reminds me of changing mac address to get around data caps in the student dorm network

Same but for airport wifi time limits... had to use Linux because the Windows drivers the laptop didn't allow manually setting the MAC address.

Re: The IMEI Code: Your phone’s other number

#157

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> Can't buy a gsm module for your arduiono What do you mean by that? Ostensibly I can. https://www.adafruit.com/product/2687 Note: it’s on back order, but in theory I would be able to buy a GSM module for my Arduino.

From reading the message, it wouldn't work in Turkey because the IMEI is blocked

it is a whitelist, not a blacklist

Re: The IMEI Code: Your phone’s other number

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post #155

Fun fact: Lots of cellular modem/routers have the easy ability to change IMEI. Doing so is a fairly common practice in the rural internet community. i.e., those using cellular for their internet access either because cable / fiber or an official cellular option like T-Mobile home internet is unavailable or they're mobile in an RV. These people are not trying to do anything particularly nefarious but they do it so tha…

Passive TCP/IP fingerprinting might tell a lot about the device. You could probably easily tell apart an iPad and a router. But if IMEI checking catches 95% of plan cheaters, it's probably not worth implementing more checks (more checks = more cost and infrastructure to maintain, is it cheaper than the lost revenue?). This said, I find it insane that there are such plans. The cost of a connection should be the same w…

I think there's lots of ways they could tell if they really wanted to. One way is simply looking at the traffic. "Why are apps on your Android phone accessing Windows update servers?". I guess a VPN can solve that and the game continues.

Something interesting might happen next week. T-Mobile Home Internet is not supposed to be moved from the registered address but until now that has not been enforced. It's quite popular with RVers. They just announced a new "Away" plan for $160/mo that you are allowed to move compared to $60 for the normal home plan and, not surprisingly, it seems like they're about to start enforcing the geo-restriction on the home plan. This apparently uses GPS in the device. I hear that a lot of people are using the home internet SIMs in other devices with the IMEI set. This is because there are much better devices with external antenna ports etc. These might be in trouble if they don't respond to the GPS request.

Re: The IMEI Code: Your phone’s other number

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post #142

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In theory it doesn’t, in practice it does.

No, it doesn't. AT commands also don't make it onto your phone line, after all. They're for communication between a host and a modem/baseband, not between a host and another host or even two modems.

Well, there are commands that make the modem talk to the GSM network in specific ways.

For example, *SC*123123123# sets up call forwarding to that number.

Re: The IMEI Code: Your phone’s other number

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If you buy a phone in Turkey, it's IMEI is registered to a gov authority and you can use / transfer it as you wish. If you happen to buy one from another country, it will be locked after 60 days of use and no carrier will connect it after that. You can use your passport to to prove that it was not imported commercially but you brought it with you and register it. For $1000 (yeah). And it is locked to your ID. Can't t…

We have the same thing in Tunisia. I wonder which other countries have this
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