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Re: Google workers fired for protesting Israeli contract file NLRB complaint

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Post by siva7 »

tovej wrote: post #160
siva7 wrote: post #147

> “There’s been a total change in the way Google responds to employees trying to have a voice in their workplace,” the fired software engineer said. “It’s night and day from the Google of even five, 10 years ago.” Having a political voice is different than having a voice against sexual harassment at the workplace. Please don't mix things that don't belong together. Radically expressing your political voice during you…

I feel like I have to push back against the idea that it is "radical" to object to your labor being used in a genocide. Am I the only one that feels like this is a fairly straightforward moral issue, and one I would expect to -- at the very least -- be allowed to express myself about. I also think the resolution of the moral issue is fairly straightforward, but I accept that there will be multiple opinions there. Sti…

It strikes me wrong to call this a genocide as a survivor of an actual genocide. So i have maybe a narrower definition of the word but i feel obligated because of my experiences to remind to being very careful with this word

Re: Google workers fired for protesting Israeli contract file NLRB complaint

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Post by llm_nerd »

_heimdall wrote: post #167
krainboltgreene wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think the point here is that people need to be really clear of the risks before taking such an aggressive moral stance Every thread like this, from now to the first time I visited HN so long ago, is filled with a hundred of the same comment that gets some weird satisfaction off presuming that people haven't thought out their actions. It's not unique, it's not interesting, it's not helpful, and frankly it's kind o…

Its a reasonable assumption that the person in question here didn't think it through if they're filing complaints over the firing. If you disagree with the company you work for and choose to protest disruptively at the office, and know that could lead to being fired, why file a complaint when that happens? And when filing the complaint, is the goal really to get your job back? At least for me, I can't speak for other…

In the video I link at the base of this thread multiple participants declare that they did not expect to get fired.

They don't call their firing consequences, they call it retaliation. They end the video by declaring that they should all be reinstated because they did nothing wrong.

Loads of internet posters very strongly and emotionally declared that they all knew that they'd be fired, including in this thread. That they were professional martyrs who heroically gave extremely desirable jobs for a cause with eyes wide open, and of course they knew what would happen. But every bit of evidence from the actual participants betrays the opposite.

And we're going to see the same sort of rhetoric as college students start getting expelled, their academic careers ruined. You'll have the former students on one side crying and gnashing about how unfair and unearned the consequences are, and on the other side third-parties cheering on their self-sabotage as heroic.

Re: Google workers fired for protesting Israeli contract file NLRB complaint

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Post by _heimdall »

llm_nerd wrote: post #172
_heimdall wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its a reasonable assumption that the person in question here didn't think it through if they're filing complaints over the firing. If you disagree with the company you work for and choose to protest disruptively at the office, and know that could lead to being fired, why file a complaint when that happens? And when filing the complaint, is the goal really to get your job back? At least for me, I can't speak for other…

In the video I link at the base of this thread multiple participants declare that they did not expect to get fired. They don't call their firing consequences, they call it retaliation. They end the video by declaring that they should all be reinstated because they did nothing wrong. Loads of internet posters very strongly and emotionally declared that they all knew that they'd be fired, including in this thread. That…

I don't have any direct connection to Google to really know what happened, only going off what I've seen online. If some protesters were disrupting the office, and those just trying to do their jobs, they should have expected repercussions. Its on them if they believed themselves powerful enough to do that with no repercussions.

A huge challenge in general is that a vast majority of us, myself included, only get fed headlines online and assume we know the whole story. I try to caveat it with "if this is true, ..." to try and help control that unknown.

Re: Google workers fired for protesting Israeli contract file NLRB complaint

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Post by tovej »

siva7 wrote: post #171
tovej wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like I have to push back against the idea that it is "radical" to object to your labor being used in a genocide. Am I the only one that feels like this is a fairly straightforward moral issue, and one I would expect to -- at the very least -- be allowed to express myself about. I also think the resolution of the moral issue is fairly straightforward, but I accept that there will be multiple opinions there. Sti…

It strikes me wrong to call this a genocide as a survivor of an actual genocide. So i have maybe a narrower definition of the word but i feel obligated because of my experiences to remind to being very careful with this word

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Re: Google workers fired for protesting Israeli contract file NLRB complaint

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Post by gataca »

tovej wrote: post #174
siva7 wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It strikes me wrong to call this a genocide as a survivor of an actual genocide. So i have maybe a narrower definition of the word but i feel obligated because of my experiences to remind to being very careful with this word

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The ICJ did no such thing. Here is the president of the ICJ clarifying this misreporting: https://x.com/UKLFI/status/1785305902276301019

Re: Google workers fired for protesting Israeli contract file NLRB complaint

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Post by ParetoOptimal »

zeroonetwothree wrote: post #55
rufus_foreman wrote: post #45

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>> Rule number one of being a rebel. Don’t do it at work By doing it at work, they are risking high paying jobs, putting their careers at risk. In public. Risking something for a protest is the whole point. To the extent that they do that with their eyes open, risking high paying jobs, they are heroes. If they do that thinking the people who control Google will be fine with that and they will still keep their jobs, t…

Their actions achieved nothing of consequence. I don't see how that makes them "heroes", even from the point of view of someone that supports their views.

> Their actions achieved nothing of consequence.

They accomplished me never responding to Google recruiter emails and informing others in my network to avoid Google where they can be fired for happening upon a protest at work.

Re: Google workers fired for protesting Israeli contract file NLRB complaint

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Post by siva7 »

tovej wrote: post #174
siva7 wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It strikes me wrong to call this a genocide as a survivor of an actual genocide. So i have maybe a narrower definition of the word but i feel obligated because of my experiences to remind to being very careful with this word

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I'd rather not open this sensitive topic, all i will say is that the genocide i've been a survivor of was handled and ruled by the ICJ as a genocide a long time ago.

Re: Google workers fired for protesting Israeli contract file NLRB complaint

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Post by ParetoOptimal »

D13Fd wrote: post #65
llm_nerd wrote: post #34

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I think it's fair to say that Google is cracking down. They did tolerate activities like this previously, but came down like a hammer on this. It seems like they are setting a precedent and giving fair warning to anyone else thinking of doing something similar. Things like this can be viral, as seen with the college protests. And the more enabled they are, the worse they get, as seen with Columbia. And to be fair the…

> I find it rather incredible. They end it by announcing that they should all be reinstated because they "did nothing wrong". They repeatedly talk as if they expected just to have their "concerns heard", to get a warning, etc. Yeah. This is true "privilege" speaking -- they don't seem to realize how fortunate they were to be in their positions in the first place. Companies employ you because it's a good deal for them…

> Companies employ you because it's a good deal for them. If you're lucky, you find a place where it is a good deal for you too.

Toe the line for being underpaid, having bad healthcare, and working for overpaid execs... be grateful you get the chance!

Re: Google workers fired for protesting Israeli contract file NLRB complaint

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Post by ParetoOptimal »

wtcactus wrote: post #127
garbagewoman wrote: post #126

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Why do you say that google would rather not deal with them personally?

Because they proved they are toxic. No company would like to deal with them again unless there’s something to be gained from the PR aspect.

The company is toxic, not the people.

Also, sucks for Google that future hires are gonna look a lot more like these "unacceptable people".

Re: Google workers fired for protesting Israeli contract file NLRB complaint

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Post by PedroBatista »

siva7 wrote: post #171
tovej wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like I have to push back against the idea that it is "radical" to object to your labor being used in a genocide. Am I the only one that feels like this is a fairly straightforward moral issue, and one I would expect to -- at the very least -- be allowed to express myself about. I also think the resolution of the moral issue is fairly straightforward, but I accept that there will be multiple opinions there. Sti…

It strikes me wrong to call this a genocide as a survivor of an actual genocide. So i have maybe a narrower definition of the word but i feel obligated because of my experiences to remind to being very careful with this word

Genocide survivalship isn’t something it’s passed though generations, otherwise pretty much every person on Earth is a genocide survival.

If you want to get technical, sure the UN didn’t put the rubber stamp on it, but I think the more important thing is a strip of land where most buildings are reduced to dust, dozens of thousands of people are dead and millions starving. Even putting aside the morality for a second, what is the practical objective of all this?

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