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US drug control agency will move to reclassify marijuana

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Re: US drug control agency will move to reclassify marijuana

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Post by a13o »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #258

There you have it, the administrator themselves saying they believe in myths about cannabis: It’s a gateway drug; while simultaneously ignoring that the drug killing people, fent has a perfectly causal gateway drug in vicodin/percs > Jack Riley, a former deputy administrator of the DEA, said he had concerns about the proposed change because he thinks marijuana remains a possible “gateway drug,” one that may lead to t…

I think these 'gateway drug' believers will be pleasantly surprised. One reason it's a gateway drug is because of a line of thought like this:

1) Govt says cannabis is the most dangerous drug.

2) I try cannabis, nothing bad happens.

3) So when the govt says drugs are dangerous, they are incorrect? I guess I can't use their rating system and will have to base it on my own experiences.

There is a trust penalty for over-classifying drugs.

And then of course picking up your cannabis from the popular pharmacy chain means you never had a reason to introduce yourself to a dealer, who may stock cannabis alongside other drugs.

Cannabis isn't intrinsically a gateway drug. All the gateway-ness flows from the social structure surrounding its misclassification.

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

dghlsakjg wrote: post #455
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #414

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does that matter? You can convert Bitcoin into cash. But then you can do that in an undisclosed location at your leisure instead of keeping a mountain of cash in your publicly advertised storefront location and becoming a huge robbery target. Also, it doesn't seem like it would be that hard to find someone to accept it as payment, since they can convert it to cash too. And the sort of landlords/suppliers/employe…

So if I as a consumer want to buy weed: I show up and convert cash to bitcoin, presumably losing some of its value to exchange fees. Pay the merchant my bitcoin, who then has to convert it back to cash losing more of its value to fees so that he can pay all of his staff, suppliers, utilities, etc... Why not just skip the bitcoin step and save time and money?

Because you don't have cash to begin with, you have money in a bank account, which you have to convert to something else to pay the dispensary. Converting it via cash instead of Bitcoin just makes it easier for you to be mugged.

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Post by hirsin »

andrewxdiamond wrote: post #93
mannyv wrote: post #56

One major effect of this is that weed stores will be able to use banks and payment processors legally once the regulators catch up.

A lot of them have wiggled around this problem by offering “atms” at the cash register. You pay with a debit card, but it’s not a normal transaction, it’s an ATM withdrawal! I don’t understand how the money is vended to the business, but it keeps it out of the store

Business 2 owns the building and the atm, renting it to business 1, the dispensary. B1 pays the cash as rent to b2 who puts it into the ATM again. A SWAG but it's common enough in other business setups to alter costs as I understand it.

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Post by zoklet-enjoyer »

denimnerd42 wrote: post #260
coffeebeqn wrote: post #190

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Do they have jurisdiction to go and do that?

sure they do. for example it's illegal to be in possession of marijuana and a firearm. the purchase of said MJ would be pretty good evidence that could lead to other warrants. That's the Hunter Biden gun charge.

This is why I'm going to buy a gun to celebrate marijuana moving to schedule 3

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Post by tensility »

buildsjets wrote: post #430
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #414

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does that matter? You can convert Bitcoin into cash. But then you can do that in an undisclosed location at your leisure instead of keeping a mountain of cash in your publicly advertised storefront location and becoming a huge robbery target. Also, it doesn't seem like it would be that hard to find someone to accept it as payment, since they can convert it to cash too. And the sort of landlords/suppliers/employe…

No sane person uses Bitcoin as a currency because it is a fundamentally unsound ponzi scheme for suckers. I don't want my salary to be subject to the vagaries and manipulations of the Bitcoin exchange rate.

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Post by JojoFatsani »

ethbr1 wrote: post #182
andrewxdiamond wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of them have wiggled around this problem by offering “atms” at the cash register. You pay with a debit card, but it’s not a normal transaction, it’s an ATM withdrawal! I don’t understand how the money is vended to the business, but it keeps it out of the store

Signs that times are a' changing -- you can buy illegal drugs with a card now. (Call me crazy and old-fashioned, but I don't think I'd want 50+ illegally-correlated transactions on my financial record that the government could lump into other charges...)

Except they’re legal drugs

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Post by int_19h »

beaeglebeachh wrote: post #290
denimnerd42 wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

sure they do. for example it's illegal to be in possession of marijuana and a firearm. the purchase of said MJ would be pretty good evidence that could lead to other warrants. That's the Hunter Biden gun charge.

It's oddly not. Only to be a user or addict with a firearm. IIRC if you just like the way weed looks in your hand that doesn't make you a user, and there's plenty of reasonable doubt you're guarding it for grandma or whoever. Of course people are still being convicted of weed and firearm, but it gets recorded as gun law violation and nobody cares, cuz left hates guns and right hates weed, so they'll never repeal it.

The worst part is that the states are quite happy to help the feds enforce this. E.g. Hawaii has both mandatory gun registration and requires a state-issued license for medical marijuana. And if you happen to have both, well:

https://www.leafly.com/news/politics/surrender-your-guns-pol...

It should also be noted that while DEA is instructed by the executive to not go after cannabis users in states where it's legal for recreational use, there's no equivalent directive issued to ATF.

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Post by tensility »

pm90 wrote: post #15
RobRivera wrote: post #9

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'Time for them to perform due diligence and refactor their operations to take advantage of the new legal landscape to retain competitive pricing inorder for' all these small/mid sized businesses don't get gulped up by big tobacco or other mega corps.

American corporations are great at retooling their business/supply chains for different products (see how quickly everyone moved into hard seltzers). I do expect big tobacco to move in aggressively if weed is made legal.

Pabst already makes THC seltzers for the California market. Big business is already here, folks.
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