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US drug control agency will move to reclassify marijuana

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Re: US drug control agency will move to reclassify marijuana

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Post by mannyv »

mannyv wrote: post #56

One major effect of this is that weed stores will be able to use banks and payment processors legally once the regulators catch up.

People are talking about schedule 3 needing a prescription, etc. From the financial point of view that's irrelevant; the point is that you CANNOT legally sell schedule 1 drugs commercially (with some exceptions that I can't remember).

Schedule 1 -> banned from the financial system.

Schedule 3 -> OK to use the financial system.

How the DEA schedule and the financial system interact is still unclear. The important part is that once regulations are updated weed businesses won't be restricted from access to the financial system. There may be some more regs around that access, but I'm sure they'll be worked around.

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Post by jajko »

andrewxdiamond wrote: post #6

Weed being illegal on a federal level has had some interesting effects. Because of these laws, all legal weed has to be grown, processed, and retailed within a single state. So much industry and local employment has been created by the legal barriers in place. It’s probably still a net positive to release the federal restriction, but I hope all these small/mid sized businesses don’t get gulped up by big tobacco or ot…

Big tobacco means even more pressure to normalize it, globally, via UN just like they pushed it down the throat of every nation worldwide including those where its sacred plant for millenia like India or Nepal. US reversed decades of severe oppression and is leading free world (I know Canada, I know) so there is massive hope our idiots in EU and elsewhere will seriously wake up, even if in some primitive cargo culting effort.

I don't mean half-assed decriminalization here and there which still feeds very healthy criminal ecosystem and for end user of say weed doesn't change a zilch in anything, I mean same legal treatment as tobacco and alcohol, we don't prescribe that for anxiety do we, its all fun and chill and introspection (for me). Its 2024 FFS, and we see idiocy live where politicians are lying in the cameras to please old conservative folks for next elections.

I want to buy edibles, happy to pay any tax they slap on it. I want to buy a single joint, of strength and power I want to choose. Or vapes. Not some overpriced mediocre shit from paranoid desperate illegal immigrant standing in dark corners of shady parts of cities. Give that man an honest job on some weed farm or distribution system.

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Post by [deleted] »

jMyles wrote: post #207
dev1ycan wrote: post #21

I'm sorry but after seeing how american gradually get into worse and worse drugs, and seeing channel 5's video on people using tranq... yeah I think complete ban on drugs for non medical reasons is the best choice.

In addition to prohibition being impossible (and a policy failure in every case where it has been tried, without a single historical exception - one of the most consistent policy outcomes in all of political science), it also isn't cognizable to define the word "drug" for the purposes of your calculus here. Would you ban coffee? How about sugar?

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Post by giantg2 »

mannyv wrote: post #56

One major effect of this is that weed stores will be able to use banks and payment processors legally once the regulators catch up.

"One major effect of this is that weed stores will be able to use banks and payment processors legally once the regulators catch up."

Assuming banks/processors don't decide to restrict them for other reasons.

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Post by colpabar »

paxys wrote: post #128
colpabar wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What bothers me is that all these things are only happening because it's an election year and the incumbent doesn't have great polling numbers.

Well, politicians doing what people want in order to get reelected is kinda the point of democracy.

There's no need to talk down to me.

My point was that they could be doing what people want for the entire duration of their term, rather than in the last few months. To use an analogy, it's like a student getting bad grades all year and then doing a bunch of extra credit assignments when they're worried about failing the class.

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Post by jjulius »

RyanAdamas wrote: post #203
rezonant wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well the UN has already done that, moving it from Schedule IV to Schedule I. Note that the schedules are reversed in the UN's system. So it appears that US rescheduling would bring drug policy closer into alignment with the UN than before. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/02/world/europe/cannabis-uni... Now, there may be some procedural red tape to go through, but it would be odd for the UN to reject such a change whe…

That's under a different treaty. You're falling for the bamboozle. This is the origin of what you're talking about: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_Convention_on_Narcotic_... Which is what this was based on: https://www.who.int/teams/health-product-and-policy-standard... Which was the impetus for what you're talking about.

Help me out here, because I'm genuinely trying to grok your point but, for whatever reason, it's not clicking for me. You originally stated:

>Reclassifying schedule 1 Drugs requires the approval of the Commission on Narcotic Drugs of the UN.

In response to the person above you in this comment chain, you then suggested that their understanding was wrong and that they're "falling for the bamboozle". I'm not sure how the NYT piece is false or a bamboozle, given that it clearly states:

>The vote by the Commission for Narcotic Drugs, which is based in Vienna and includes 53 member states, considered a series of recommendations from the World Health Organization on reclassifying cannabis and its derivatives.

So, at one point you say that the Commission for Narcotic Drugs needs to be the commission to approve the rescheduling, but when you're told that they did in fact do that, you then tell us that that's wrong. I would love to be steered in the right direction here, if you don't mind.

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Post by lambdaba »

dukeyukey wrote: post #280
lambdaba wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sugar is! AND it causes great long-term harm, hard to quantify how much since there is basically no control group, since it's given to children early on, it's put in near everything, and it's cheap as dirt.

I don’t think sugar is physically addictive, as in your body gets negative physiological symptoms from cutting back.

True, I misread the comment, although for someone consuming a lot of sugar quitting cold-turkey is going to be uncomfortable physically.

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Post by Invictus0 »

hollerith wrote: post #250
joecool1029 wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I hope all these small/mid sized businesses don’t get gulped up by big tobacco or other mega corps Calling it: CVS and Walgreens will move into the medical market for this. You think these little shops will be able to process health insurance payments when that sector gets in on it? lol

I bet that in the US, no health insurer will ever pay for an insured person's marijuana.

I'll happily take the other side of that bet.

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Post by Vegenoid »

BobaFloutist wrote: post #252
filoleg wrote: post #222

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Often enough, it isn’t an actual ATM. You pay at the counter like you usually would using a card or an NFC payment method (e.g., Apple Pay), but the payment reader processes it as an ATM withdrawal transaction (hence an extra transaction fee of a few dollars). There is no physical cash involved at any point in this (at least not on the dispensary premises).

Sure, for people that want to pay 5$ more for every transaction. Probably a good number of people don't.

Where I’ve been, they round up to the nearest multiple of 5, and the extra you pay is kept as credit on your account towards future purchases.

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Post by vuln »

flawsofar wrote: post #125
vuln wrote: post #114

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It’s pandering and on the edge of buying votes. Unlike Student Loan “forgiveness” which was a direct purchase of a vote. And no I doubt this will rouse the pot smokers to vote, perhaps mail in, as they don’t have to do actually anything.

If everyone buys votes using one issue or another, using cannabis to buy votes should be the least concern of anyone. While you can make some amount of case that the timing makes it a manipulation, is this really the manipulation that bothers you? I would rather there be no manipulations. But in a country that divides itself on infantile identity politics, fight fire with fire. It is not a fair game. You can’t demand…

The timing is complete bullshit. Politicians “pocket” issues like this and pull them out during an election year “look how much I care about you!!! Vote for me!!!” They could have and should have done this a very long time ago.

It’s obvious to everyone that the democrats are losing their bread a butter voters, young people and black folks. This gets waved around for the nth time and everyone gets excited.

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