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What's Going on with ‘Nonplussed’? (2017)

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Re: What's Going on with ‘Nonplussed’? (2017)

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As a Brit, I don't think I've ever encountered the latter meaning. I've only ever heard it to mean 'perplexed'.

JK Rowling uses it frequently in the Harry Potter series, a series aimed at children. I assume her editors carefully combed her words for anything that may confuse a child. Nonplussed got through. Perhaps because British editors thought nonplussed is easy to understand?

Re: What's Going on with ‘Nonplussed’? (2017)

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First they came for literally and I did nothing because I wasn't a pedant. Then they came for nonplussed and I still did nothing because I'm still not a pedant. I sure hope they don't come for pedant next.

The misunderstandings in this thread make for an inflammable situation.

Re: What's Going on with ‘Nonplussed’? (2017)

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I think there are at least two forces that lead to words changing meaning: 1. We are looking to express a emotion but want to empathize it more. Existing words get "used up" because we tend to inflate the strength. This is how we get words like "sick!", "awesome" (which changed meaning quite a while ago). Either new words get created or existing ones get taken over. 2. Some people literally don't understand the origi…

I think what's happening today is almost all #2, but I'd argue it's not really that language is evolving, but just that people are continuously making mistakes, and somehow correcting them has become this weird taboo. You're a pedant or "grammar Nazi" for pointing out incorrect usage and grammar, so nobody learns and people keep making the same mistakes again and again. Language evolves, but it evolves very slowly. M…

The situation of correcting someone else's English is socially awkward, not least because the person doing the correcting usually gets it slightly wrong themselves. It's much better, in my opinion, if corrections are something that's done in private by editors (and if it's oral and thus can't be edited, I'm... nonplussed by the possibility of mistakes). However, even somewhat reputable publications in the Anglosphere rarely have that kind of rigour in their editing, so I think we're doomed to an accelerated level of change in the English language. At least that gives us linguistics enthusiasts more to talk about :)

Re: What's Going on with ‘Nonplussed’? (2017)

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For the last several decades, every English speaking country has used the short billion (1e9).

Yep, even the BBC surrendered to the Americanism.

According to Wikipedia's summary of the situation, the French are to blame for the ambiguity - no surprises there! ;) But if we're going to avoid Americanisms, the better way is simply to use the word 'milliard', which makes perfect, unambiguous sense in any language.

Re: What's Going on with ‘Nonplussed’? (2017)

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What’s awesome about words is we can just say whatever bullshit we want and if anyone understands and repeats it, bam, new words! They don’t start off in the dictionary!

I love "anon" for that reason. "I will be there anon!" If anyone complains about me being there either too early or too late, or neither, I point them to the dictionary: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anon It can either mean "now", "soon", or "later".

Oh, how interesting - I had a personal 'eggcorn' interpretation that it was an elision of "and on" (which also makes sense in many contexts), and never connected it to the word "anon" in writing!

Re: What's Going on with ‘Nonplussed’? (2017)

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I take objection to the characterization of "begging the question" having a changed/incorrect meaning. I assert that the "original philosophical meaning" is the fad idiom, and the common usage is a true parsing of the words unrelated to the idiom. "This begs the question of why X Y Z" is just a shortening of "this [thing you said] begs [that] the question [be asked] of why X Y Z". I think the only reason there's any…

You might be correct, but it begs the question: where are your citations for that?

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Re: What's Going on with ‘Nonplussed’? (2017)

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That begs the question, what will you do about it?

I’m fairly nonplussed at what has happened to “begging the question” - its usage now is an inversion of its original philosophical meaning as a form of fallacy. It’s common usage is a way of saying “the question arises”.

> original philosophical meaning

It was a stupid translation, so I don't mind people retaking the words for their actual meaning.

Re: What's Going on with ‘Nonplussed’? (2017)

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That begs the question, what will you do about it?

Explaining the joke: "Begging the question" is an expression that properly means "assuming the conclusion," i.e. circular reasoning. However, the comment above deliberately uses the incorrect meaning "raising the question."

Good explanation except for the words "proper" and "incorrect".

Re: What's Going on with ‘Nonplussed’? (2017)

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Wait… do Americans not say whom?

The Americans who know when to use whom and who and Americans who think they know when to use whom and who are those who use whom, while Americans whom the distiction between who and whom thouroughly confuses and Americans to whom whom is entirely unknown are those by whom who is solely used.

Kudos for writing the entire sentence without making a mistake (yes, I checked). Although perhaps the use of 'whilst' would complete the intended stylistic flare?
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