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Re: Google lays off its Python team

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Post by ehsankia »

hi-v-rocknroll wrote: post #52

This is standard recent Google. A year or so ago, they laid off GCP upper tier support to replace them with cheaper workers. PS: I won't say which MAAN_, but the recruiters are half based in India now. Coincidentally, it's a MAAN_ that laid me off previously in a relatively recent timeframe rather than attempt to find me another home internally. Brain explodes. Perhaps MAANGs need to focus more on long-term sustainab…

Support team is one thing. Google's Python team was a small team, most of which were also on the Python steering council or Core Python developers. These people had decades of experience in Python. Their knowledge and community connections is irreplaceable.

Re: Google lays off its Python team

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Post by ehsankia »

Jmgaleano1 wrote: post #244
mihai_maruseac wrote: post #66

Google is an AI first company Google's future is strictly tied to its AI products All AI is written with Python. Google lays off all Python team. Segmentation fault

Okay, let's debug this logic. Google is AI-focused, true, but they're not a one-trick pony. Python's great for Al, but it's not the ONLY language. And mass-firing your Python team seems...counterproductive. Segmentation fault indeed!

Well it mostly still is a one-trick pony: ads. It has kept trying to not be a one-trick pony for a decade. In the latest report, Cloud and Hardware did add up to around 25%, so they are getting closer.

They've been trying to focus on AI, but with moves like this, their position in AI will likely end up matching their position in Cloud vs AWS/Azure.

Re: Google lays off its Python team

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Post by Mikho »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #241
chillidoor wrote: post #198

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I'm guessing "Meta, Amazon, Apple, Netflix, and Google" but with a "_" for some reason

Why is Netflix still included? They should be kicked out, I haven’t heard anything tech about the, for years now. Then we can go with Meta Apple Google Amazon, or MAGA for short. Ok, not a good look that one.

Now it's MAAMA (Microsoft, Apple, Amazon, Meta, Alphabeth)

Re: Google lays off its Python team

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Post by ToxicMegacolon »

crabbone wrote: post #381
ToxicMegacolon wrote: post #374

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The parent comment is about Amazon employees in India. Your point #1 contradicts itself when you say "if they were locals who can simply move on to another job" --> Indians working India are the "locals" who can move onto another job. And Indian tech industry is very well developed, its not difficult to find another job, certainly not for those working in MAANG companies. Entirely disagree with point #2, people can l…

> Your point #1 contradicts itself when you say "if they were locals who can simply move on to another job" OK, I need to clarify: another equivalent job. If you are local in the US, then all local jobs are "somewhat" equivalent (of course they are different, but they are within the same range). But, if you work in India (or any similar country) for an international company, or for the local Indian company -- that's…

Disagree. India has a vibrant startup ecosystem that is growing everyday and has produced some good companies like Zomato, Swiggy, Meesho, Zoho, Postman etc and their pay is definitely "somewhat" equivalent for the India cost of living.

In addition to the Indian startups like the ones I mentioned above, India is also a favored outsourcing destination and, because of the population its a huge market for many companies. Most global tech companies have development offices in India and pay good enough salaries for the local market. I'd say that in terms of raw numbers US >> India, but in terms of mobility and options and pay that matches cost of living, they are pretty much the same, with US trying to reduce employee mobility via hostile visa programs.

I am not Eastern European, but I have not heard of many eastern european startups that made it to billions of users. Nor do I hear it as a favored outsourcing destination, not nearly as favored as India. So its not surprising that its hard to find equivalent jobs over there.

Re: Google lays off its Python team

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Post by tomrod »

7331 wrote: post #360
tomrod wrote: post #273

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Poorly, in most cases, via various flavors of JavaScript and derived frameworks therein. Sometimes with additional overhead referred to as "targeting" which gives a worse outcome and user experience, regardless, over simpler implementations that serve to inform. Targeting forgets causality, typically. Next comes YELLING-LOUDLY-TO-COME-DOWN-TO-THE-LOCAL-CAR-DEALERSHIP-FOR-NO-MONEY-DOWN-OFFERS phase of advertisements,…

> Poorly, in most cases, via various flavors of JavaScript and derived frameworks therein Is Google using JS for the backend ad serving / AI?

Not sure. I'm referring to Front End, however, since the advertisee does not see the backend.

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Post by happypumpkin »

tmjor wrote: post #382
mangosteenjuice wrote: post #346

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This highly depends on your skillset. Most employers with equivalent liquid comp will be HFT, and you will be writing C++. Netflix is the only employer I know of where an Android or iOS IC can make liquid 500k+ TC without RSUs.

What's IC

individual contributor

Re: Google lays off its Python team

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Post by eitally »

tarsinge wrote: post #385
twojobsoneboss wrote: post #276

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Be real, it’s google. They could layoff 10k every month for another year and still have people lining up from around the world to get in

Google was so impactful in redefining work environment in the 2000s that people have now a very hard time getting over them being now just another old school big corporation. I remember in the early 2010s the aura Google had here on HN was crazy, I guess 10 years are still not enough to destroy that image.

To be fair, though, even if the culture isn't the same as ten years ago, the perks (and pay) generally are. For people who want to work in a technical role and who may be in traditional enterprise IT, looking up to big tech (including Google) is still pretty rational.

Re: Google lays off its Python team

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Re: Google lays off its Python team

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Post by twojobsoneboss »

eitally wrote: post #397
tarsinge wrote: post #385

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Google was so impactful in redefining work environment in the 2000s that people have now a very hard time getting over them being now just another old school big corporation. I remember in the early 2010s the aura Google had here on HN was crazy, I guess 10 years are still not enough to destroy that image.

To be fair, though, even if the culture isn't the same as ten years ago, the perks (and pay) generally are. For people who want to work in a technical role and who may be in traditional enterprise IT, looking up to big tech (including Google) is still pretty rational.

Bingo if you can get a decent package and their stock continues to do well, that is life changing money

Re: Google lays off its Python team

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Post by nocte »

zem wrote: post #59
compiler-guy wrote: post #47

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Of course it does. Pretty much every FAANG, and many smaller ones, have teams for every programming language they consider important. Google has C++, Rust, Python, Java, JavaScript, and others (although I've heard that several of these teams were hard it in this round.) To take a basic example: Google has a team that works inside LLVM and Clang to improve the code it produces for Google's specific workloads. (Often t…

in addition to contributing to upstream python, we * maintained a stable version of python within google, and made sure that everything in the monorepo worked with it. in my time on the team we moved from 2.7 to 3.6, then incrementally to 3.11, each update taking months to over a year because the rule at google is if you check any code in, you are responsible for every single breakage it causes * maintained tools to…

How can someone hire the whole team? :)
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