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Re: Google lays off its Python team

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Post by steve_s »

UncleMeat wrote: post #116
fargle wrote: post #29

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agree. i can tell it was a bad day for the author and it sucks. but it's irritating to sit there and blame the exact system and company that gave him the exceptional job and pay in the first place. everyone who works in FAANG, if you are drawing an enormous salary and bonus, compared to the average guy, i hope you realize the how fortunate you are. i hope you are putting away, saving, investing, at least 1/3 or 1/2 o…

People who work at Google are indeed very fortunate. We are paid large sums of money. I feel like I've found a pot of gold and give significant portions of my income away to the less fortunate directly because I feel that so much of my pay is based on luck. However, Google employees only capture a fraction of Google's profits. Google made twenty five billion dollars in profit in Q1. Annualized that is 100b. Google ha…

No, you'd have to take all the profit of all the companies in the country and divide that by the number of citizens. That would be true socialism. Like a kibbutz in Israel. IMO it is as much utopia as 100% free market capitalism. Almost everywhere you have something in between, including in the US.

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Post by arcamox »

zem wrote: post #59
compiler-guy wrote: post #47

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Of course it does. Pretty much every FAANG, and many smaller ones, have teams for every programming language they consider important. Google has C++, Rust, Python, Java, JavaScript, and others (although I've heard that several of these teams were hard it in this round.) To take a basic example: Google has a team that works inside LLVM and Clang to improve the code it produces for Google's specific workloads. (Often t…

in addition to contributing to upstream python, we * maintained a stable version of python within google, and made sure that everything in the monorepo worked with it. in my time on the team we moved from 2.7 to 3.6, then incrementally to 3.11, each update taking months to over a year because the rule at google is if you check any code in, you are responsible for every single breakage it causes * maintained tools to…

I feel your pain. All the best!

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Post by torginus »

VBprogrammer wrote: post #8
blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #2

The post suggests their jobs were offshored. Is this a common practice versus just closing the roles? I feel like US legislators should do more to protect domestic jobs from domestic companies, or else they’ll face the same eventual collapse as in manufacturing.

This might be my prejudice but when someone talks about offshoring a role, moving it to Munich isn't the first thing that comes to mind. It may be slightly cheaper than California but not by so much that if expect it to be the main reason for doing so.

You might be surprised - the absolute difference in salary between Munich and a trendy US tech hub is more than $100k. The difference between getting a decent dev in Poland vs Munich is $30-50k max.

Re: Google lays off its Python team

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Post by mangosteenjuice »

laluser wrote: post #320
14u2c wrote: post #246

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Because they still pay $500k cash.

The thing with Netflix is that they have such few open roles and there are plenty of other liquid high comp companies that pay similar. It was all about the original stock growth that just stuck I guess

This highly depends on your skillset. Most employers with equivalent liquid comp will be HFT, and you will be writing C++.

Netflix is the only employer I know of where an Android or iOS IC can make liquid 500k+ TC without RSUs.

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Post by DoctorDabadedoo »

tail_exchange wrote: post #313
taylodl wrote: post #303

Playing Devil’s Advocate - why does Google need a Python team when they made Go?

Because they have Python code that needs to be supported. The ML ecosystem, for example, is much larger in Python than Go.

Has Youtube been completely moved off from Python? Last account I have from it (quite outdated, I must admit) was that it had heavy ties with it.

Re: Google lays off its Python team

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Post by torginus »

Let me add my 2 cents: afaik US companies can avoid paying taxes by reinvesting their profits into companies. Since software engineering wasn't a very capital rich endeavor, this manifested mainly in increased salaries for their employees. This has now changed, with the advent of AI, since increased capital is funneled towards acquiring AI hardware.

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Post by noobermin »

unixhero wrote: post #306
bbrake wrote: post #268

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Moving things to india sounds like a great idea, except the 13-15 hour difference in communication. it's all well and good until you're in Cupertino and taking an 11:30 pm call because they have 0 hours of overlap... guess you can force them to work US hours, but that goes to culture as well. Are they trying to show that India's workplace is more compliant and they'll just do what corp types will tell them?

Great idea for who? Not for paying customers.

Who else, shareholders and executive compensation

Re: Google lays off its Python team

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Post by noobermin »

ToxicMegacolon wrote: post #325
twojobsoneboss wrote: post #276

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Be real, it’s google. They could layoff 10k every month for another year and still have people lining up from around the world to get in

Seems like direct path to becoming IBM to be honest

Pretty sure google's new management would love to be IBM, it's the perfect fit for people like them.
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