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Atomic nucleus excited with laser: A breakthrough after decades

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Re: Atomic nucleus excited with laser: A breakthrough after decades

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The measurement was already confirmed by a different group: https://arxiv.org/abs/2404.12311 This is important since impurities in the crystals used lead to all kinds of fluorescence that could be mistaken for a signal from the Thorium ions. Now two groups have seen exactly the same signal in different Thorium-doped crystals which is very covincing that they have found the actual nuclear transition.

I find it satisfying to see a researcher called THORsten SchUMm devoting his research to THORiUM.

Lol that's a comic book name if I ever heard one. He's only one lab accident away from becoming a super hero/villain.

Re: Atomic nucleus excited with laser: A breakthrough after decades

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1) does this have any relevance to thorium as nuclear fuel? Looks like no.

2) is there any significance to the units of the wave length? Like they’ve narrowed it down to a number. Does that granularity map to anything? Some sort of discrete scale? Or is there going to be a range of values that work +/- a super tiny value.

Re: Atomic nucleus excited with laser: A breakthrough after decades

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The measurement was already confirmed by a different group: https://arxiv.org/abs/2404.12311 This is important since impurities in the crystals used lead to all kinds of fluorescence that could be mistaken for a signal from the Thorium ions. Now two groups have seen exactly the same signal in different Thorium-doped crystals which is very covincing that they have found the actual nuclear transition.

Who will claim priority now?

As I understand it, that is not an independent discovery but rather replication/confirmation of the results described in the original 14th of March paper by PTB & TU Wien.

Re: Atomic nucleus excited with laser: A breakthrough after decades

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> If the wavelength of the laser is chosen exactly right ... then maybe a special atomic nucleus could be manipulated with a laser, namely thorium-229. On November 21, 2023, the team was finally successful: the correct energy of the thorium transition was hit exactly, the thorium nuclei delivered a clear signal for the first time. So what's the wavelength? I felt like the article left me hanging. The answer is: 148.3…

Oh that's about 0.0000000014 football fields. More seriously, apparently it takes a photon with a wavelength of 92nm to eject an electron from a hydrogen atom. Maybe this is a reasonable reference/refresher: https://web.archive.org/web/20210413042937/https://www.nagwa...

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Re: Atomic nucleus excited with laser: A breakthrough after decades

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

148nm is on the lower end of UV-C. It's higher-energy than the furthest ultraviolet light that the sun produces (200nm). If it were produced artificially, it'd be heavily absorbed by the atmosphere to the point of near opacity. If the visible spectrum was an octave, where the "tone" of a color wrapped around from red back to blue the way G wraps to A, it'd be the blue one octave above visible blue.

Nice to hear the octave relation used! "blue above visible blue" is a good name.. hmm, a little web tool to name these would be neat ;)

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Re: Atomic nucleus excited with laser: A breakthrough after decades

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> If the wavelength of the laser is chosen exactly right ... then maybe a special atomic nucleus could be manipulated with a laser, namely thorium-229. On November 21, 2023, the team was finally successful: the correct energy of the thorium transition was hit exactly, the thorium nuclei delivered a clear signal for the first time. So what's the wavelength? I felt like the article left me hanging. The answer is: 148.3…

Physics like this (really I'd call it materials science; it isn't but it has immediate practical applications on building things) is a bit of a sleeper in terms of importance. Small improvements in tolerances and materials drive huge changes in what is economically feasible at the other end of the science-engineering-machining pipeline. "We've built a higher precision thing" is usually huge news. Take semiconductors,…

This actually has significant practical importance, because it is hoped that using this transition of the thorium nucleus it will be possible to build atomic clocks even better than those using transitions in the spectra of ions or neutral atoms, because the energy levels of the nucleus are less sensitive to any external influences.

While in the best atomic clocks one must use single ions held in electromagnetic traps or a small number of neutral atoms held in an optical lattice with lasers, in both cases in vacuum, because the ions or neutral atoms must not be close to each other, to avoid influences, with thorium 229 it is hoped that a simple solid crystal can be used, because the nuclei will not influence each other.

The ability to use a solid crystal not only simplifies a lot the construction of the atomic clock, but it should enable the use of a greater number of nuclei than the number of ions or atoms used in the current atomic clocks, which would increase the signal to noise ratio, which would require shorter averaging times than today, when the best atomic clocks require averaging over many hours or days for reaching their limits in accuracy, making them useless for the measurement of short time intervals (except for removing the drift caused by aging of whatever clocks are used for short times).

Re: Atomic nucleus excited with laser: A breakthrough after decades

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post #79
post #5

The measurement was already confirmed by a different group: https://arxiv.org/abs/2404.12311 This is important since impurities in the crystals used lead to all kinds of fluorescence that could be mistaken for a signal from the Thorium ions. Now two groups have seen exactly the same signal in different Thorium-doped crystals which is very covincing that they have found the actual nuclear transition.

I find it satisfying to see a researcher called THORsten SchUMm devoting his research to THORiUM.

For what it’s worth, the names of both the element and the researcher do in fact refer to the Norse god of thunder Thor.
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