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Atomic nucleus excited with laser: A breakthrough after decades

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Re: Atomic nucleus excited with laser: A breakthrough after decades

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The measurement was already confirmed by a different group: https://arxiv.org/abs/2404.12311 This is important since impurities in the crystals used lead to all kinds of fluorescence that could be mistaken for a signal from the Thorium ions. Now two groups have seen exactly the same signal in different Thorium-doped crystals which is very covincing that they have found the actual nuclear transition.

Who will claim priority now?

Re: Atomic nucleus excited with laser: A breakthrough after decades

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Did anyone understand how they hold a nucleus (not an atom) in a crystal? Nucleus is charged and seeks electrons, I thought you need an electromagnetic trap for that (which the article says they don't use).

They grew CaF2 crystals with a small amount of thorium, which take the place of some of the Ca atoms in the crystal lattice. There’s an illustration in fig 1 of the preprint of what the substitutional defects look like

Like the other poster mentions, CaF2 is an ionic crystal, but I don’t think that’s an important detail because you wouldn’t expect a nuclear transition to be affected by the bonding state of the electrons. My guess is it’s just a convenient way to get a very dilute collection of thorium atoms without using an ion trap

Re: Atomic nucleus excited with laser: A breakthrough after decades

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American football or European football? This is like the gallon thing all over again.

standard football field size, or empirical average?

I suspect the average football field size across the former British Empire is close to the FIFA standard.

Throw in Australian Rules Football fields if you're looking for a maximum, particularly if orginal marn-grook is in the mix.

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Professor Thorsten discovering a mystery of Thorium... How appropriate. Thor must be proud.

Odin must be proud.

This is where I slip in my recommendation of the little book titled Votan, by John James.

Re: Atomic nucleus excited with laser: A breakthrough after decades

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>>> For example, the Earth's gravitational field could be analyzed so precisely that it could provide indications of mineral resources Hold on how does that work? I have had a sort of sci-fi idea that sufficiently sensitive gravitational field measurements coukd detect the passing of submarines (I am not sure on the maths tbh) - which would render a lot of nuclear strategy moot. Just need to get a grasp on the maths

Sufficiently accurate clocks can act as 'relativity sensors' - measuring changes in the 'time' bit of spacetime due to small changes in gravity.

Re: Atomic nucleus excited with laser: A breakthrough after decades

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> If the wavelength of the laser is chosen exactly right ... then maybe a special atomic nucleus could be manipulated with a laser, namely thorium-229. On November 21, 2023, the team was finally successful: the correct energy of the thorium transition was hit exactly, the thorium nuclei delivered a clear signal for the first time. So what's the wavelength? I felt like the article left me hanging. The answer is: 148.3…

148nm is on the lower end of UV-C. It's higher-energy than the furthest ultraviolet light that the sun produces (200nm). If it were produced artificially, it'd be heavily absorbed by the atmosphere to the point of near opacity. If the visible spectrum was an octave, where the "tone" of a color wrapped around from red back to blue the way G wraps to A, it'd be the blue one octave above visible blue.

Nice to hear the octave relation used!

"blue above visible blue" is a good name.. hmm, a little web tool to name these would be neat ;)

Re: Atomic nucleus excited with laser: A breakthrough after decades

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An obvious question is whether this be used to build a nuclear analogue of a laser, using nuclear transitions instead of electron transitions. It turns out to have already been asked:

https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/296237/nuclear-t...

In summary, the answer seems to be "maybe, but why?". The laser was originally called "a solution in search of a problem", which would suggest that "why" isn't really a reason not to.

https://ask.metafilter.com/148055/Who-first-called-lasers-a-...

Re: Atomic nucleus excited with laser: A breakthrough after decades

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From the paper, the light is UV-C at around 140nm or 8.4 eV. But it has to be very precisely the right energy to cause the transition, since nuclear states don’t have any place to dump excess energy to.

Ahhh thank you! I was wondering why the energy had to be so precise. That makes a ton of sense why it has to be so accurate. What makes this transition so low energy? The only other atomic excited state I have any knowledge of is the iron excited state used in Mossbauer spectroscopy. That transition is much higher energy. Also that one has some coupling to the electronic state of the nucleus. Does this Thorium transition have some special reason that it isn't coupled to the electronic state?

Re: Atomic nucleus excited with laser: A breakthrough after decades

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The measurement was already confirmed by a different group: https://arxiv.org/abs/2404.12311 This is important since impurities in the crystals used lead to all kinds of fluorescence that could be mistaken for a signal from the Thorium ions. Now two groups have seen exactly the same signal in different Thorium-doped crystals which is very covincing that they have found the actual nuclear transition.

I find it satisfying to see a researcher called THORsten SchUMm devoting his research to THORiUM.

Re: Atomic nucleus excited with laser: A breakthrough after decades

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The measurement was already confirmed by a different group: https://arxiv.org/abs/2404.12311 This is important since impurities in the crystals used lead to all kinds of fluorescence that could be mistaken for a signal from the Thorium ions. Now two groups have seen exactly the same signal in different Thorium-doped crystals which is very covincing that they have found the actual nuclear transition.

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