(note to author: LaserWriter, not AppleWriter. Recall that AppleWriter was a word processor for the Apple II.)
embarrassing. fixed it.
but wasn't the parallelism to WinWriter pleasing?
Microsoft at Work
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#12Interesting stuff, but I think there's one more string he could have pulled. What was the MS software that ended up in the Saturn? I would bet emulator devs have done a lot of reverse engineering here already. Even if it doesn't lead to an obvious answer, there's bound to be more clues.
Microsoft shipped a Windows CE based dev kit for the Sega Saturn From developer and reverse engineering accounts it was significantly heavier than just running the games bare metal (which isn't terribly surprising)
Yes, but doesn't that run on a different layer than the CD drive firmware? I'm specifically referring to this quote:
> Microsoft may have reached some level of completion on that project and sold it to Sega for the Saturn's complicated storage controller, but it's also possible that the connection between the Saturn and MAW is mistaken and the software Microsoft delivered to Sega was a simple, from-scratch effort.
win32/win16 code has a very distinctive style, so I think if an emulator author dumped the firmware and even just looked at it with `strings` it would be pretty obvious whether or not the firmware is some kind of slimmed down version of proto-Windows. At least that's the next place I would look for answers.
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#13Earlier quoted context omitted.
Microsoft shipped a Windows CE based dev kit for the Sega Saturn From developer and reverse engineering accounts it was significantly heavier than just running the games bare metal (which isn't terribly surprising)
Yes, but doesn't that run on a different layer than the CD drive firmware? I'm specifically referring to this quote: > Microsoft may have reached some level of completion on that project and sold it to Sega for the Saturn's complicated storage controller, but it's also possible that the connection between the Saturn and MAW is mistaken and the software Microsoft delivered to Sega was a simple, from-scratch effort. wi…
A reader has done exactly that and reports pretty confidently that the CD-ROM subsystem firmware is not Windows, and appears to be mostly hand-written assembly and probably by Hitachi. Unsurprising considering their prominent role in the CD-ROM industry.
It is true that the later Sega Dreamcast could run Windows CE, although the Saturn, as far as I can tell, never could. Windows CE had barely been started when the Saturn came out, so it doesn't seem realistic that there had been a plan in the Saturn era to put CE on it. If I had to speculate (and I do) I think that perhaps the Sega-Microsoft partnership for the Saturn didn't work out, perhaps due to the failure of WinPad or Pegasus, but did start the relationship that lead to CE support on the Dreamcast.
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#14Its a bit of a tangent, but the article mentioned Windows shipping with a fax like appliance which reminds of this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2Bu5tkDs98
Millions of people must have insisted that they didn't a have a fax machine and completely missed that it was build into the computer they were using and fully supported by the fax modem in their machine.
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#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
At least there's no XBox Live!(tm) yet... Oh.
Lest anyone forget, let's revisit the naming convention of Xboxen. To make my point, I will randomize the order instead of going chronologically: Xbox One Xbox Xbox Series X/S Xbox One X/S Xbox 360 They all had "Xbox Live!" more usually written Xbox LIVE At work I like to joke that any new product coming out from Microsoft should be renamed "Azure DevOps", since their goal appears to be confusion.
Are you referring to Azure DevOps Server, formerly known as Team Foundation Server / Visual Studio Team System? Or are you referring to Azure DevOps Services, formerly known as Visual Studio Online / Visual Studio Team Services? Fortunately they both support both Git and Microsoft's own Team Foundation Version Control (which luckily never changed its name). Please let me know the answer via Microsoft Teams, or if you prefer, via Microsoft Teams Free (Classic).
With you 100%, nobody's worse at naming things than Microsoft. I'd say the only real contender for its throne is Google with its Messages/Allo/Duo/Hangouts Chat/Hangouts Meet/Google Chat.
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#16Windows CE however DID finally make it onto a Sega SH-powered console, the Dreamcast. And only within the last decade has it become easily accessible to play those games at full speed with an open source emulator, such as Flycast, mainly due to the performance impact of implementing the MMU.
The Dreamcast did allow you to use a Windows CE-based SDK, but that was rare. Katana and Ninja were the native SDKs that you could use from SEGA, without touching Windows CE at all.
yeah even most sega games did not use Windows CE. I think that the exception may have been Sega Rally's port on the Dreamcast
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#17Its a bit of a tangent, but the article mentioned Windows shipping with a fax like appliance which reminds of this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2Bu5tkDs98 Millions of people must have insisted that they didn't a have a fax machine and completely missed that it was build into the computer they were using and fully supported by the fax modem in their machine.
Oh... that's what the Fax device does lol. Been wondering about that for 20 something years.
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#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
Lest anyone forget, let's revisit the naming convention of Xboxen. To make my point, I will randomize the order instead of going chronologically: Xbox One Xbox Xbox Series X/S Xbox One X/S Xbox 360 They all had "Xbox Live!" more usually written Xbox LIVE At work I like to joke that any new product coming out from Microsoft should be renamed "Azure DevOps", since their goal appears to be confusion.
Are you referring to Azure DevOps Server, formerly known as Team Foundation Server / Visual Studio Team System? Or are you referring to Azure DevOps Services, formerly known as Visual Studio Online / Visual Studio Team Services? Fortunately they both support both Git and Microsoft's own Team Foundation Version Control (which luckily never changed its name). Please let me know the answer via Microsoft Teams, or if you…
AHHH I fucking hate microsoft :D
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#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
The Dreamcast did allow you to use a Windows CE-based SDK, but that was rare. Katana and Ninja were the native SDKs that you could use from SEGA, without touching Windows CE at all.
yeah even most sega games did not use Windows CE. I think that the exception may have been Sega Rally's port on the Dreamcast
Do you think they used Windows CE for Sega Rally to ease the port from the Windows version?
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#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
Lest anyone forget, let's revisit the naming convention of Xboxen. To make my point, I will randomize the order instead of going chronologically: Xbox One Xbox Xbox Series X/S Xbox One X/S Xbox 360 They all had "Xbox Live!" more usually written Xbox LIVE At work I like to joke that any new product coming out from Microsoft should be renamed "Azure DevOps", since their goal appears to be confusion.
Are you referring to Azure DevOps Server, formerly known as Team Foundation Server / Visual Studio Team System? Or are you referring to Azure DevOps Services, formerly known as Visual Studio Online / Visual Studio Team Services? Fortunately they both support both Git and Microsoft's own Team Foundation Version Control (which luckily never changed its name). Please let me know the answer via Microsoft Teams, or if you…
You forgot Azure DevOps, their attempt at a JIRA/project management ersatz.
Also Skype, that is sometimes called Lynx, or Skype for Business.