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Creatine found to improve cognitive performance during sleep deprivation

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Re: Creatine found to improve cognitive performance during sleep deprivation

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Other studies already proved those effects with creatine with a normal dose schedule, what they were testing is if a single high dose would have a beneficial effect too, which it did.

A normal schedule is 3-5g per day with an optional loading phase of 10-20g per day during 7 days.

In the study they used a single dose of 0.35g/kg which means 20-40g per dose. How do they not get diarrhea? The loading phase is usually split into several doses to avoid diarrhea and I can personally attest to that being a good idea.

Re: Creatine found to improve cognitive performance during sleep deprivation

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I think Choline belongs in that list also. The difficulty of getting these on a vegan diet is the reason I started consuming bivalves

After switching to a vegan diet and after some experimentation with other variants, I have eventually settled on adding to the food small amounts of creatine monohydrate, taurine and choline bitartrate in pure powder form, exactly like you would add table salt. For me it has worked fine. However, among the nutritional supplements for a vegan diet I make a temporary exception for cod liver oil (or other fish oil). Eve…

I'm assuming the cod liver oil is for the Omega content?

I'm fortunate to have access to some decent Omega supplements, but bivalves are also excellent sources of Omegas (in addition to Taurine, Choline, and Creatine). If your vegan diet is motivated by vegan or environmental ethics, I'm curious why you've landed on fish oil rather than bivalves (since fish have brains and I believe oyster farming specifically is supposed to also have a positive impact on the habitats it's performed in)?

Re: Creatine found to improve cognitive performance during sleep deprivation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

After switching to a vegan diet and after some experimentation with other variants, I have eventually settled on adding to the food small amounts of creatine monohydrate, taurine and choline bitartrate in pure powder form, exactly like you would add table salt. For me it has worked fine. However, among the nutritional supplements for a vegan diet I make a temporary exception for cod liver oil (or other fish oil). Eve…

I'm assuming the cod liver oil is for the Omega content? I'm fortunate to have access to some decent Omega supplements, but bivalves are also excellent sources of Omegas (in addition to Taurine, Choline, and Creatine). If your vegan diet is motivated by vegan or environmental ethics, I'm curious why you've landed on fish oil rather than bivalves (since fish have brains and I believe oyster farming specifically is sup…

At least where I live, in Europe, fish oil is many times less expensive than bivalves, which are priced like luxury food.

Moreover, fish oil is much more convenient, because after I buy a liter, that is enough for more than 3 months, so I have to take care about this only very infrequently.

Bivalves can be stored only frozen and even in that case they occupy a huge volume in comparison with the equivalent amount of fish oil. They would also require additional time each day for preparation and cooking (even if that takes only a few minutes when done in a microwave oven). With cod liver oil or other fish oil, I just add a minute amount of it to the vegetable oil that I add to food anyway, so the extra time for it is just taking the bottle from the refrigerator and putting it back, which adds perhaps ten seconds to the cooking time.

When well prepared, bivalves are very tasty and healthy but they are not an optimal solution for ensuring an adequate daily intake of essential fatty acids, except perhaps in places on marine coasts, close to some farming site, where there might be possible to have continuous access to a guaranteed supply of cheap fresh bivalves.

I would rather not use fish oil, so as I have said, I am waiting for the production process for Schizochytrium oil to become more efficient, so that the premium price over fish oil will decrease enough. When I have tried for the first time Schizochytrium oil, a few years ago, it was at least eight times more expensive than fish oil. The last time when I have checked, it could be found (when searching enough) for as little as three times the price of fish oil (per its DHA+EPA content), so there is hope for a further price reduction.

Re: Creatine found to improve cognitive performance during sleep deprivation

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It shouldn't in general, but there are restricted cases where it's literally life and death and difficult/impossible to plan around.

I don't see how a work around for an intentional shortage can be acceptable if you are saying the AMA kills people and I think that you are.

> for an intentional shortage

I would not say it's only acceptable for unintended shortages, or maybe very brief and rare shortages since those tend to be the kind you can't reasonably plan around.

As for saying the AMA kills people, not sure I'd go that far without doing more research. But I wouldn't be at all surprised if the effect of some of their policies is more deaths than there otherwise would be.

Re: Creatine found to improve cognitive performance during sleep deprivation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm assuming the cod liver oil is for the Omega content? I'm fortunate to have access to some decent Omega supplements, but bivalves are also excellent sources of Omegas (in addition to Taurine, Choline, and Creatine). If your vegan diet is motivated by vegan or environmental ethics, I'm curious why you've landed on fish oil rather than bivalves (since fish have brains and I believe oyster farming specifically is sup…

At least where I live, in Europe, fish oil is many times less expensive than bivalves, which are priced like luxury food. Moreover, fish oil is much more convenient, because after I buy a liter, that is enough for more than 3 months, so I have to take care about this only very infrequently. Bivalves can be stored only frozen and even in that case they occupy a huge volume in comparison with the equivalent amount of f…

Good point, I've only started consuming bivalves recently (having never purchased them in my life before) and live on a marine coastal city where bivalves naturally wash up on shore in addition to being farmed, so I didn't consider that the prices I see would be significantly different than a non-coastal place, especially since I also often purchase mussels, clams, and oysters which are harvested in other countries and shipped here.

For me, I may spend the same amount on bivalves as I would on an equivalent (by protein content) amount of mock meat products or veggie burgers. The bivalves are no doubt much healthier, but have fewer calories which is either a good or bad thing depending on what you're trying to optimize for.

Re: Creatine found to improve cognitive performance during sleep deprivation

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post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see how a work around for an intentional shortage can be acceptable if you are saying the AMA kills people and I think that you are.

> for an intentional shortage I would not say it's only acceptable for unintended shortages, or maybe very brief and rare shortages since those tend to be the kind you can't reasonably plan around. As for saying the AMA kills people, not sure I'd go that far without doing more research. But I wouldn't be at all surprised if the effect of some of their policies is more deaths than there otherwise would be.

Ugh, I meant to say it's only acceptaple for unintended shortages. An extra "not" snuck in there.

Re: Creatine found to improve cognitive performance during sleep deprivation

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I am wary of Creatine, it is bad for kidneys if you take it regularly. No long term study exists yet.

Do you have a source for this? I haven't heard of any evidence for kidney damage long term from regular creatine intake in a healthy adult.

Re: Creatine found to improve cognitive performance during sleep deprivation

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post #32

Taking creatine cured my lightheadedness that occurs when standing up after squatting for a few minutes, which happens a lot at my job (plumbing). It also reduced other negative effects of sleep deprivation, such as impaired cognition, but to a lesser degree.

How much do you take? How often?

5g once a day, standard gym goer protocol.

Re: Creatine found to improve cognitive performance during sleep deprivation

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Taking creatine cured my lightheadedness that occurs when standing up after squatting for a few minutes, which happens a lot at my job (plumbing). It also reduced other negative effects of sleep deprivation, such as impaired cognition, but to a lesser degree.

Same though I'm sadly not qualified for plumbing and had spent a lot of money for plumbing issues. Is that how you got into the business ? Your Profile states that you are "just another programmer". This is BTW what I love about HN, intelligent people from all walks of life, South American Neuroscientists, Pakistani Particle Physicists, Australian Professors of European Philosophy, Chinese Poets, NY Musicians designi…

My dad is a plumber, and I learned a bit while working with him. I was in software development for about 8 years, intermittently (casual games and microcontrollers in C++, Java/Kotlin for Android), and at the last job (the Android one) I burnt out so bad I got clinical depression which took years to manage. Plumbing to me is a fallback that is going on for too long. Pays the bills and meds until I get fit for demanding mental work. By the way, my lower back is demanding some mental work, for a change, after 3 weeks of carving out grooves for pipes in walls and floors with a big perforator
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