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The walls of Apple's garden are tumbling down

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Re: The walls of Apple's garden are tumbling down

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It's not the only difference, at least where I live - I have to significantly reduce image sizes to send them to Android users..

Which is a limitation of the messaging protocol. Apple has announced they will add support for RCS this year, which should address these issues.

And why are they adding RCS?

Because the EU is starting to regulate them so theyve stopped dragging their ass on this.

Re: The walls of Apple's garden are tumbling down

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HN tells me that there's only one more step left after embracing and extending. Apple didn't make some mistake putting iMessage and SMS in the same app, they want you reliant on their service so that SMS seems (rightfully) poor by comparison. There would be nothing wrong with that if Apple wasn't equally as miserly with that power as the carriers they want to valiantly protest against. I'm no fan of cell carriers eit…

Apple never got rid of SMS. And there has been no embrace or extend. All they did was put an optional message service in the same app. One that isn’t even the most popular making it strange to say there is no competition.

> All they did was put an optional message service in the same app.

They did a bit more than that. There were the glory days that if you ever left the Apple ecosystem, but iMessage ever had an awareness of your number, no other iMessage users could reach you until or unless you did some incantations that Apple didn't make obvious, ideally from an Apple device (that you may not own anymore), to allow your friends to keep sending you even green bubble messages?

I know multiple people who had to go to Apple stores to try to do this process.

Re: The walls of Apple's garden are tumbling down

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Something I keep thinking about is how we’re seeing the end of what I call the “tech zeitgeist”. Started upon realizing that we‘ve likely seen the end of the social network era. No new social networking startups have popped-off in a while, and the recent ones are arguably more about connecting you to entertainers than friends. Besides that, a lot of the tech ideas from 2012-2020 have kind of fizzled out. 3D printing…

> 3D printing will likely never enter the mainstream. I'm going to argue that it still might. I've been at it for about 5 years now and when I started printing my local Micro Center didn't carry anything related to 3D printers. Then they picked up the Ender 3 a few years back as the one printer they offered and they had a dozen basic color options of filament on the end of one side of an isle. Today that same store s…

I'm not sure that it will ever go 'mainstream' but it looks like it will have a vibrant and stable future ahead. It is taking the slow boring but reliable path upwards. Better than crashing and burning.

Re: The walls of Apple's garden are tumbling down

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You're right. They obviously have no motivation to do the correct thing, so the solution is government regulation. We live in a world where every landline telephone can dial another with no trickery or fuckery from your phone manufacturer. That is a good thing. We should extend that functionally to smartphones.

You’re going to have to be much more specific if you want to make any sense. All cell phones can already call other cell phones. All cell phones can already message other cell phones.

You ignore that for a while that actually wasn't the case. If you left the Apple ecosystem, for multiple years the steps to get your number/account disassociated from iMessage so your contacts could reach you by SMS again were not default, not obvious, and not disclosed.

Re: The walls of Apple's garden are tumbling down

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I think this article is overstating the effect that Apple's walls have on lock-in effect. I'm an Android user, and a little less than a year ago I actually bought an iPhone, specifically due to Apple's iMessage lock-in (nearly all of my friends have iPhones, and the especially broken group messaging between iMessage and Android was the primary driver of my desire to get an iPhone). Except the problem was that, after…

You're right that lock-in isn't just about one application. Like a wall, it's made up of multiple bricks. But different bricks matter more to different customers: for some people (usually teenagers who have relatively little data invested in other apps) the blue-bubbles iMessage is the most important brick, for older users it's usually the piles of data in cloud services, password manager, photo library or purchased media. Typically companies use some features to bring people into their ecosystem, then gradually them in with all the others.

Unfortunately our anti-trust laws were written in the 19th century, so they deal with very specific types of anti-competitive behavior. Modern tech firms basically grew up in an environment where the goal was to maintain the absolute minimal level of competition and user choice that stays within the law.

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Something I keep thinking about is how we’re seeing the end of what I call the “tech zeitgeist”. Started upon realizing that we‘ve likely seen the end of the social network era. No new social networking startups have popped-off in a while, and the recent ones are arguably more about connecting you to entertainers than friends. Besides that, a lot of the tech ideas from 2012-2020 have kind of fizzled out. 3D printing…

I find this a strange perspective. There are many tech ideas which have barely even started. Quantum computing, space travel, DNA modification, climate control, to name a few. These will all affect a lot of humans in the future, unless we mess something up. Or perhaps I am misunderstanding your comment, and you focus more on the media and communication part of tech?

More on localized tech that we use directly day to day. All the things you mentioned are big scale things that need large economic inputs, some larger than entire small nations to get off the ground. While they can impact us, they are things that are much more nebulous and vague to experience.

Re: The walls of Apple's garden are tumbling down

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I think the iphone becoming a commodity means the apps themselves are more of the focus. I am surprised Apple never put work into making killer social media app, a search engine, etc. these things live beyond the lifecycle of phones

We all forget Ping.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITunes_Ping

Re: The walls of Apple's garden are tumbling down

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The only thing Apple cares about is Apple making more money. they will gladly gouge the end User so that their executives can line their pockets. there is nobody here you can actually ”trust”.

However for Apple to keep making money they need to satisfy their users, so as with all commercial relationships there is a direct commercial incentive that aligns customer and vendor interests. The interesting question is how and why those interests align, and when and where they diverge. The answer to that will be different for different customers, or potential customers. A lot of iPhone customers like me are quite…

Just because I bought an iphone, doesn't mean my interests align with Apple when they price gouge me for extra storage, or when they use child labor, or when they continue to create products which fill up landfills due to their anti-repair stance. Apple will suck up as much money as they can get away with - which is capitalism. I would argue there is no "alignment" of anything here. Its up to each individual to examine the facts, and decide for themselves what their own personal threshold is.

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In principle I like Apple being legally forced to crack open all their walled gardens, and I hate how far they've come from the open and hackable original Apple computers. In practice, I worry that they're going to imminently pivot to a more Google like model of selling their customers out to any third party with cash. Right now they have the means to do that, but they're selling privacy as one of their features and…

Jobs always hated that the original Apple 2 had expansion slots. Woz wanted them because it would allow folks other than Apple to make things. You know, Woz being Woz.

Those expansion slots allowed Apple 2 to become what it was and practically made the foundation of Apple.

Jobs ended up tolerating expansion slots but tried to minimize their availability where ever possible.

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> I'm not sure where you got this information. I was working in mobile games at the time and ended up working with Google on the Play Store launch, among other things. But what I mentioned was not some big secret. Everyone knew Android was supposed to be the response to google having to keep stashes of j2me devices in drawers, which is ironically what everyone ended up needing to do with Android devices. People have…

Windows Mobile phones had apps distributed by wherever, you could go get them on a CD from Bestbuy if you wanted. > I was working in mobile games at the time and ended up working with Google on the Play Store launch, among other things. Well, mobile games are distributed via ads, not the "stores." I don't know. This distribution, network effects story. It's sort of, whatever. People were using chat apps then, and peo…

> Windows Mobile phones had apps distributed by wherever, you could go get them on a CD from Bestbuy if you wanted.

This was also the case for Palm smartphones. Since they were an amalgam of a Palm PDA and a cell phone, they kept the app model of Palm PDAs. IIRC, you could even transfer apps from one Palm PDA to another through their infrared port, or through Bluetooth if both were fancy ones.

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