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Re: Ubuntu Desktop 24.04 LTS: Noble Numbat

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Post by dventimi »

qzw wrote: post #59
dventimi wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a brand new Lenovo laptop. Is that "bad hardware"?

With Lenovo it could be either. Thinkpads have historically worked pretty well with Linux. The more consumer oriented stuff can be hit or miss. Generally the more newfangled features (dual screens, detachability, extra eink displays, etc.), the worse the support. Thinkpads also tend to last longer, so there’s more time for driver support to catch up before they’re broken or obsolete.

"It could be either." This isn't a fact. It's not written down anywhere that anybody can look up. It is essentially lore, rumor, hearsay. That is not a firm foundation for building confidence in a platform.

Re: Ubuntu Desktop 24.04 LTS: Noble Numbat

#92

Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

dventimi wrote: post #85
yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So if you’re not invested in Linux ideologically, it’s difficult to recommend, for laptops in particular. Linux has practical benefits as well; it's not just ideology. But yes, if you want Linux you should make sure your hardware supports it.

Put another way, add "poor hardware support" to the list of reasons not to use Linux.

Poor support for new hardware, yes. Every OS is a series of tradeoffs (Linux lags in new hardware and commercial software, Darwin supports less hardware than any other major OS, NT views the user as the product); you have to decide if the advantages or disadvantages matter more.

Re: Ubuntu Desktop 24.04 LTS: Noble Numbat

#93

Post by SAI_Peregrinus »

greenavocado wrote: post #17
CoolGuySteve wrote: post #7

Will I finally be able to use a bluetooth headset's high quality audio output and its mic at the same time without significant changes in the terminal? It's getting embarrassing that every other mobile and desktop OS has no problem doing this but not Ubuntu.

The "solution" other vendors take is to maintain the high quality bluetooth audio output to your headphones while using your laptop's microphone as input. They basically don't use your headset's mic in order to keep your headset in A2DP mode for high quality audio. You can also easily configure this in PulseAudio Volume Control. You can't work around the fundamental limitations of Bluetooth protocols like A2DP withou…

Or the headset can include two separate Bluetooth endpoints and an internal mixer. AFAIK this is what SteelSeries does in their headsets.

Re: Ubuntu Desktop 24.04 LTS: Noble Numbat

#94

Post by gessha »

vouaobrasil wrote: post #4

Ah good times. I started out with one of the early ones, maybe 4.04 or something like that. Ubuntu was my first Linux, and then Mint. Unfortunately, for work purposes, I had to switch to MacOS (not a bad OS), but I still miss Linux from time to time, especially reading about that story on the frontpage about people losing access to their Apple IDs. I think I'll give it another shot soon...

I really liked requesting an install CD from Ubuntu when I was in high school in Eastern Europe and installing it on whatever system I had access to.

It was one of the first pieces of mail that I received personally and it felt like Christmas.

Re: Ubuntu Desktop 24.04 LTS: Noble Numbat

#95

Post by blagie »

ufocia wrote: post #51
blagie wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it's not read-only. It's just that the writes are somewhat random, and in control of God and physics, rather than, of human design. (speaking as someone with a big pile of CD-Rs in the attic, most of which have some forms of corruption on them) I'd love to see a standard like M-Disc in mainstream use. The problem is optical has not kept up with magnetic. M-Disc is about $100 for 100GB. In contrast, I bought a 20T…

Optical made advancements beyond the DVD. However they caught on only in a limited manner. There is Blue-Ray, now 128GB 4-layer. However, due to the amount of data we generate and consume, long term storage is less of a concern at the consumer level, i.e. there is almost always more where that came from. Content has, simply put, been commoditized.

I never said they didn't, and indeed, cited 100GB optical media. I said they made _limited_ progress.

In 1982, a 20MB HDD was considered large, while a CD is 640MB. That's an almost insurmountable 20x advantage to optical.

By the late nineties, a DVD was 4.7GB, while typical HDDs were maybe 500MB-2GB, giving a more modest advantage to optical.

In 2024, a HDD is maybe 200 times bigger than optical (20TB versus 100GB), while an SSD is maybe 10x bigger (1TB versus 100GB).

Prices are also worth looking at. 100GB media is maybe $10/disk. I remember buying CD-Rs and DVD-Rs in stacks of 20-100, at maybe 10 cents-$2 per disk, depending on type, quantity, and year. The cost-per-byte for optical media has hardly changed in two decades.

So limited progress.

Re: Ubuntu Desktop 24.04 LTS: Noble Numbat

#96

Post by atvcatole »

utensil4778 wrote: post #76
butz wrote: post #11

Interesting observation, that in 20 years installer iso size grew almost ten times: from 643M CD to current 5.7G image, that won't fit even on single layer DVD (not that someone are still using those). I was also surprised how little difference "default selection" and "extended selection" makes in disk space usage - "extended" is taking up only 1GB more of disk space.

I really wish net installers were still popular. For a while, most distros offered a tiny install image, like a few hundred MB that contained just enough to bootstrap the installer to pull the real OS data from the internet (or other network source). Sometimes I only have small USB2.0 flash drives. I can't fit a full-fat installer on there, and even if I could, my network connection is much faster anyway. Hell, insta…

> I really wish net installers were still popular.

Ubuntu still has netinstall available as an option, it's ~80MB.

Re: Ubuntu Desktop 24.04 LTS: Noble Numbat

#97

Post by atvcatole »

ivanjermakov wrote: post #44
butz wrote: post #11

Interesting observation, that in 20 years installer iso size grew almost ten times: from 643M CD to current 5.7G image, that won't fit even on single layer DVD (not that someone are still using those). I was also surprised how little difference "default selection" and "extended selection" makes in disk space usage - "extended" is taking up only 1GB more of disk space.

Wow! Is there a breakdown of how this space is used? Arch ISO is 950MB...

Wow! Ubuntu netinstall is ~80MB...

Re: Ubuntu Desktop 24.04 LTS: Noble Numbat

#98

Post by Volundr »

utensil4778 wrote: post #76
butz wrote: post #11

Interesting observation, that in 20 years installer iso size grew almost ten times: from 643M CD to current 5.7G image, that won't fit even on single layer DVD (not that someone are still using those). I was also surprised how little difference "default selection" and "extended selection" makes in disk space usage - "extended" is taking up only 1GB more of disk space.

I really wish net installers were still popular. For a while, most distros offered a tiny install image, like a few hundred MB that contained just enough to bootstrap the installer to pull the real OS data from the internet (or other network source). Sometimes I only have small USB2.0 flash drives. I can't fit a full-fat installer on there, and even if I could, my network connection is much faster anyway. Hell, insta…

I learned about https://netboot.xyz/ the other day. Worked fantastic when I didn't have a big enough thumb drive. Not exactly the same though.

Re: Ubuntu Desktop 24.04 LTS: Noble Numbat

#99

Post by nequo »

queuebert wrote: post #63

Does anyone know if desktop scaling on Wayland is fixed now? On 22.04 scaled desktops caused certain apps, such as Obsidian, to be blurry.

That’s an Xwayland thing. If your Obsidian has no Wayland support, it will be blurry with any distro. It looks like newer versions use a newer version of Electron that supports Wayland:

https://forum.obsidian.md/t/please-ugrade-to-the-newest-elec...

Re: Ubuntu Desktop 24.04 LTS: Noble Numbat

#100

Post by trueismywork »

dventimi wrote: post #85
yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So if you’re not invested in Linux ideologically, it’s difficult to recommend, for laptops in particular. Linux has practical benefits as well; it's not just ideology. But yes, if you want Linux you should make sure your hardware supports it.

Put another way, add "poor hardware support" to the list of reasons not to use Linux.

Or put another way and say, put poor linux support as a reason to not use certain hardware.
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