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Re: Ubuntu Desktop 24.04 LTS: Noble Numbat

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Post by utensil4778 »

dventimi wrote: post #37
CoolGuySteve wrote: post #7

Will I finally be able to use a bluetooth headset's high quality audio output and its mic at the same time without significant changes in the terminal? It's getting embarrassing that every other mobile and desktop OS has no problem doing this but not Ubuntu.

I'd be happy if Bluetooth audio worked out of the box at all.

Linux in general has been the most reliable of any OS I've used in the last 5 years or so. Well, except maybe Android.

Windows is the worst of the worst, but every Linux distro I've tried works great and actually supports every feature of Bluetooth. Unlike Windows, who only implements the barest of minimums, and about half of those features just don't work.

Re: Ubuntu Desktop 24.04 LTS: Noble Numbat

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Post by trueismywork »

layer8 wrote: post #71
trueismywork wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't state anything to the contrary. I just said it depends on the hardware and is not a problem of linux. Your choice is limited with linux but if buy hardware that's good for Linux, then everything works quite well.

Hardware choice being limited is a problem Linux has. You are defensive about it not being Linux’ fault, but the point is that users generally don’t care whose fault it is. I’m a Linux user, by the way; but only on my servers.

Definitely it is a problem linux has, and users do not care and sometimes shouldn't care whose fault it is. But if someone asks, then it's okay to give this perspective in my opinion.

There are other reasons not to like linux. Like needless fragmentation due to dynamic libraries versions, like unstable desktop environments for years, like lack of commercially supprted desktop clients for basic office stuff like email and calendar (I have used KDE, Evolution and Thunderbird and all of them feel just slightly underpolished). So, :shrug:

Re: Ubuntu Desktop 24.04 LTS: Noble Numbat

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Post by k8sToGo »

bradley13 wrote: post #19

Will be installing in a week or two. I'm not a fan of snap, and I know Mint doesn't use it (by default, anyway), but I'm used to Xubuntu and will stick with it for now. Apparently, the upgrade path isn't quite ready yet. If you're installing now, do a fresh install.

I upgraded all my lts servers, no problem.

Re: Ubuntu Desktop 24.04 LTS: Noble Numbat

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Post by dventimi »

utensil4778 wrote: post #81
dventimi wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd be happy if Bluetooth audio worked out of the box at all.

Linux in general has been the most reliable of any OS I've used in the last 5 years or so. Well, except maybe Android. Windows is the worst of the worst, but every Linux distro I've tried works great and actually supports every feature of Bluetooth. Unlike Windows, who only implements the barest of minimums, and about half of those features just don't work.

Well that's one data point.

Re: Ubuntu Desktop 24.04 LTS: Noble Numbat

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Post by dventimi »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #72
layer8 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn’t matter, the end result is that you are substantially more limited in hardware choice and generally have more trouble with Linux on newer hardware. So if you’re not invested in Linux ideologically, it’s difficult to recommend, for laptops in particular.

> So if you’re not invested in Linux ideologically, it’s difficult to recommend, for laptops in particular. Linux has practical benefits as well; it's not just ideology. But yes, if you want Linux you should make sure your hardware supports it.

Put another way, add "poor hardware support" to the list of reasons not to use Linux.

Re: Ubuntu Desktop 24.04 LTS: Noble Numbat

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Post by RhysU »

blagie wrote: post #30
axytol wrote: post #22

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One nice benefit for optical media is that it's hard read only by default. This makes it easy to ensure the install media does not get corrupted by overwrites or malware.

No, it's not read-only. It's just that the writes are somewhat random, and in control of God and physics, rather than, of human design. (speaking as someone with a big pile of CD-Rs in the attic, most of which have some forms of corruption on them) I'd love to see a standard like M-Disc in mainstream use. The problem is optical has not kept up with magnetic. M-Disc is about $100 for 100GB. In contrast, I bought a 20T…

> control of God and physics

If either God or physics want it, they already have root.

Re: Ubuntu Desktop 24.04 LTS: Noble Numbat

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Post by dventimi »

trueismywork wrote: post #69
layer8 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn’t matter, the end result is that you are substantially more limited in hardware choice and generally have more trouble with Linux on newer hardware. So if you’re not invested in Linux ideologically, it’s difficult to recommend, for laptops in particular.

I didn't state anything to the contrary. I just said it depends on the hardware and is not a problem of linux. Your choice is limited with linux but if buy hardware that's good for Linux, then everything works quite well.

In a bit of sleight of hand you just substituted "good hardware for Linux" where earlier you had the unqualified "good hardware."

Re: Ubuntu Desktop 24.04 LTS: Noble Numbat

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Post by dventimi »

techwizard81 wrote: post #52
dventimi wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a brand new Lenovo laptop. Is that "bad hardware"?

Lenovo is a good brand for Linux, i've never had any issues running various distros on my thinkpads over the years.

Lenovo is a good brand and the one issue I've had with several models is Bluetooth audio. You and I had different experiences with the same brand of hardware. To a potential new user considering Linux, do you think our exchange would increase or decrease their confidence about adopting Linux?
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