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Re: Google fires more workers after CEO says workplace isn’t for politics

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Post by tptacek »

zrn900 wrote: post #280
sixstringtheory wrote: post #216

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> Stop murdering children first. Of course, Israelis and their supporters will say the same thing. There is no one party to this state of affairs still alive that threw the first stone. There was October 7, before that there were settlements and annexations, before that there were intifadas, before that there were mandates, civil wars etc, all the while punctuated by stray killings, bombings and rocket attacks, on an…

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you qualify as a psychopath, not as a rational person.

You can't write things like this here.

Re: Google fires more workers after CEO says workplace isn’t for politics

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Post by candiodari »

spencerflem wrote: post #162
candiodari wrote: post #154

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If that were truly the reason there are protests there wouldn't be any support in Europe, when in reality the movements there are far bigger than in the US. I mean, sorry, but the black flags and open hostility towards Jews shows what at least a large percentage of the movement is really about. Especially in Europe. The rest of the movement is the same as leftist movements, imho. It's also not about supporting Palest…

you are like a third right- First, no its not about tax dollars, you're right. It's about the US actively participating. Its something we have the power to easily stop doing. If what's happening in Palestine is comparable to the Uyghurs you're conceding that there are human rights problems. As for antisemitism is Europe, I can't say. You might be right there. But in the US, most of it as far as I can tell is being ho…

> It's about the US actively participating. Its something we have the power to easily stop doing.

The same goes for the Syrian massacres. US was very clearly providing support for one side of the conflict.

No protests.

Central Africa. Same.

No protests.

Nigeria. Same.

No protests.

Or how about a HUGE ongoing us involvement resulting in lots of dead? Ukraine.

No protests. (and, no, Minimal Thinking Girl protesting by herself doesn't count)

Lebanon. Yemen. Kashmir. Hungary. Finland ... the list goes on and on. What makes this case of support different? We all know what makes it different ...

Re: Google fires more workers after CEO says workplace isn’t for politics

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Post by licebmi__at__ »

edanm wrote: post #266
licebmi__at__ wrote: post #263

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>but it is targeting militants. This kinda talking points get muddy when said militants (more like suspected militants) were target specifically when they arrived home with their families. Besides that, all the talking about Israel not targeting civilians, being interested in protecting civilians, and not deliberately holding back help all of these are Israel talking points; so conceding authority is crazy, not becau…

> This kinda talking points get muddy when said militants (more like suspected militants) were target specifically when they arrived home with their families. You're right. And absent further context, I'd consider that to be a war crime. However, there's very little evidence that that is happening - afaik it was one article, which quoted a couple of people in the intelligence units without a clear understanding of th…

>Many of these points are backed up by the US.

Maybe it's the fact that I just saw the nth video of a WH spokesman dodging a direct question about an independent investigation with the phrase "we are requesting more information from the Israel government" that makes this point ring really hollow to me.

>Everything negative we know is also something we take at face value from an interested party - Hamas itself

Negatives come from several parties. Including as mentioned independent investigation from the most important human rights organizations, investigation that have in the past, corroborated Gaza Health Ministry past figures.

Which is the actual point, independent investigations are needed. I mean I would have hesitance to trust an independent investigation by the US or by "other democracies" (sic), but I would concede if that were a thing. But we get responses in the vein of "Israel is our ally so we choose to believe them".

>That's paradoxically why democracies sometimes "look worse" compared to autocracies >US actions in Iraq/Afghanistan

Yeah, I don't think those actions were a genocide, but there are some parallels between those conflicts and the current one, the propaganda and lies, the way that the opposing voices are completely ignored, and the veneer that "we are a democracy" so war crimes are either non existent or will be revealed. After all these years, what do we know about the mass murder weapons that caused the destruction of Iraq? Did the checks and balances worked or was the whistleblower arrested and tortured? Didn't we saw Bush have a lapsus just a few years ago about an authoritarian man deciding to invade a country for no reason and the audience just laughed it off?

>I only talk about this in terms of broad numbers because that's necessary for understanding this war compared to similar wars, which is the only valid yardstick for what is happening.

And this is completely false. Genocide scholars have said time and time again that genocide is not about numbers. If you cannot get this basic fact, please avoid stating that a word is being misused.

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Post by woooooo »

dragonmost wrote: post #252
woooooo wrote: post #237

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A million killed to harvest their organs? You sure about that? Or was that a rhetorical thing.

Can't find a reliable source right now but the report was from U.N's Gay McDougall

A million people chopped up for organs would presumably leave some significant evidence.

Re: Google fires more workers after CEO says workplace isn’t for politics

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Post by spencerflem »

candiodari wrote: post #282
spencerflem wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you are like a third right- First, no its not about tax dollars, you're right. It's about the US actively participating. Its something we have the power to easily stop doing. If what's happening in Palestine is comparable to the Uyghurs you're conceding that there are human rights problems. As for antisemitism is Europe, I can't say. You might be right there. But in the US, most of it as far as I can tell is being ho…

> It's about the US actively participating. Its something we have the power to easily stop doing. The same goes for the Syrian massacres. US was very clearly providing support for one side of the conflict. No protests. Central Africa. Same. No protests. Nigeria. Same. No protests. Or how about a HUGE ongoing us involvement resulting in lots of dead? Ukraine. No protests. (and, no, Minimal Thinking Girl protesting by…

The difference is extremely clear: Israel is viewed as a key US ally. We give them more foreign aid than any other nation. We got to bat for them very frequently, and almost all of our UN Vetos have been used preventing things from being said to them. The two countries are very connected. When Nigeria eg. does something, we don't rush to approve more weapons immediately.

The closest equivalent imo is South Africa, which the US government was similarly close with and people were Very Mad in almost the exact same way.

& Finally, I truly do not understand the viewpoint that we should give aid to Israel and not Ukraine. I can see the arguments for both or neither or for just Ukraine but this one's baffling. They are currently being invaded by a much bigger power. They are required to use the weapons they get purely defensively.

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Post by racional »

candiodari wrote: post #282
spencerflem wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you are like a third right- First, no its not about tax dollars, you're right. It's about the US actively participating. Its something we have the power to easily stop doing. If what's happening in Palestine is comparable to the Uyghurs you're conceding that there are human rights problems. As for antisemitism is Europe, I can't say. You might be right there. But in the US, most of it as far as I can tell is being ho…

> It's about the US actively participating. Its something we have the power to easily stop doing. The same goes for the Syrian massacres. US was very clearly providing support for one side of the conflict. No protests. Central Africa. Same. No protests. Nigeria. Same. No protests. Or how about a HUGE ongoing us involvement resulting in lots of dead? Ukraine. No protests. (and, no, Minimal Thinking Girl protesting by…

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Re: Google fires more workers after CEO says workplace isn’t for politics

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Post by racional »

jolj wrote: post #238

Things I think this discussion constantly misses: 1. One of Google's largest engineering office is in Israel, so it has thousands of employees directly affected by the war. Obviously seeing fellow employees protest against their own country at work is at least a huge distraction. A Google employee entire family was kidnapped to Gaza, by the way. 2. Project Nimbus is a way to get cloud regions in Israel in exchange fo…

There isn't going to be some killer AI running on GCP simply because you don't run classified data/software on public clouds.

We hear this disclaimer a lot -- but isn't the whole point of Project Nimbus is that it's effectively a private cloud environment? Per a recent press release:

As part of the "Project Nimbus", the cloud computing services will be provided from local cloud computing sites while the information will be processed and stored within the borders of the State of Israel under the provisions of Israeli law, strict information security guidelines, and under the guidance of the relevant authorities in the government.

Also, it doesn't have to be a genocide-as-a-service app like Project Lavender to be worrisome. It can also be some far more boring facial recognition tools making everyday life in the OTP incrementally more miserable, for example.

Google engineers reading this over your miso-roasted salmon & quinoa bowls are more than welcome to chime in with the relevant details.

Re: Google fires more workers after CEO says workplace isn’t for politics

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Post by okdood64 »

CommanderData wrote: post #275

I'd do the same if my employer helps a regime kill 74 children every day through precision airstrikes. When Russia invaded Ukraine we saw a massive redrawl of companies, funny how this isn't happening with Israel at the same speed when the crimes are far worse.

Also funny how there weren't widespread protests that entered the liberal zeitgeist during the war on ISIS. Just look up the civilian count.

Re: Google fires more workers after CEO says workplace isn’t for politics

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Post by candiodari »

spencerflem wrote: post #285
candiodari wrote: post #282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's about the US actively participating. Its something we have the power to easily stop doing. The same goes for the Syrian massacres. US was very clearly providing support for one side of the conflict. No protests. Central Africa. Same. No protests. Nigeria. Same. No protests. Or how about a HUGE ongoing us involvement resulting in lots of dead? Ukraine. No protests. (and, no, Minimal Thinking Girl protesting by…

The difference is extremely clear: Israel is viewed as a key US ally. We give them more foreign aid than any other nation. We got to bat for them very frequently, and almost all of our UN Vetos have been used preventing things from being said to them. The two countries are very connected. When Nigeria eg. does something, we don't rush to approve more weapons immediately. The closest equivalent imo is South Africa, wh…

No offence, there's 2 big differences:

1) they're Jewish

2) they actually defend themselves

Armenia and Lebanon have the same problem in the UN, but it only lasts weeks, and then they fail to defend themselves, and the muslim voting block in the UN is happy when they're militarily defeated, and they just don't care about themselves: not about human rights violations by muslims against anyone else. Not even about disgusting human rights violations by muslims against muslims. Look how much effort people put into getting attention for Sudan, and it's just not getting anywhere, and it won't.

Re: Google fires more workers after CEO says workplace isn’t for politics

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Post by dijit »

woooooo wrote: post #284
dragonmost wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can't find a reliable source right now but the report was from U.N's Gay McDougall

A million people chopped up for organs would presumably leave some significant evidence.

Beware that reasoning. We only knew about the holocaust very late into the war and there were denials just as you claim right now.

And indeed, when the Nazi's were losing they tried quite hard to hide the evidence, however it was so total and immutable in many cases that it could not be hidden, mostly because the allied powers controlled their lands and had free access to their previously governed population..

Without such access proof rarely escapes and when it does the total brutality is considered impossible; this is exactly what happened during world war 2.

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