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Re: Google fires more workers after CEO says workplace isn’t for politics

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Post by jerojero »

exe34 wrote: post #36
jerojero wrote: post #21

Well I'm pretty sure the people protesting were aware this could be the outcome. So in that regard, I think it's very admirable for them to put their convictions over money. From the outside, I agree with their opinion. But then again, money screams and people talk. I feel like a lot of people in tech tend to be very much "not interested" when it comes to politics, even though tech and particularly these big companie…

What does genocide mean in this context? Are you saying that an enemy can just put women and children in front of every military installation and the other side can never respond to any attacks anymore?

I find it hard to justify that thousands of children killed in the past few months and the countless reports from human rights organizations calling for the abuse that's happening to civilians in Gaza does not constitute genocidal intent. Not only that, but killing people trying to flee the conflict is also something that they've done.

The words themselves of the people in government in Israel very much point to it.

I just invite you to do some research on the topic.

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Post by aaomidi »

nec4b wrote: post #264
aaomidi wrote: post #253

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> Everything is somehow tied to their ideology and they want to push it everywhere. That's not what I said. I said everything we do is fundamentally political.

That is what makes you a fundamentalist. If everything was political then the word political had no meaning.

What does a fundamentalist even mean?

All of our actions are happening in the context of the politics we operate in. Do you have an example where this isn’t the case?

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Post by CommanderData »

edanm wrote: post #260
bitcharmer wrote: post #229

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There are literally hundreds of videos and witness testimony evidencing war crimes perpetrated by Israel. There are even mass graves being uncovered which is reported by mainstream media. Humanitarianaid is being held back or bombed by IDF. What on Earth are you talking about? How can one dispute that Israel is a genocidal apartheid?

> How can one dispute that Israel is a genocidal apartheid? Let me talk specifically about the "genocidal" aspect, because Apartheid is a separate topic. If you're coming from a place of "of course Israel is committing genocide", I don't think it very likely that I'm going to convince you otherwise. That is the "default" narrative in many circles (just like the opposite narrative also exists in many circles). That sa…

Israel has killed 74 children every day for the past 200 days.

74 children a day. Murdered. Mostly precision airstrikes.

Re: Google fires more workers after CEO says workplace isn’t for politics

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Post by CommanderData »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #20
evolve2k wrote: post #10

Sounds like the union is not strong enough. 50 workers being fired should be enough for everyone else to be like wtf.

Why should 50 workers not be fired for disrupting the workplace to push a political agenda?

Israel has killed 74 children every day for the past 200 days.

74 children a day. Murdered. Mostly precision airstrikes.

Google helps the same people committing this.

Re: Google fires more workers after CEO says workplace isn’t for politics

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Post by CommanderData »

I'd do the same if my employer helps a regime kill 74 children every day through precision airstrikes.

When Russia invaded Ukraine we saw a massive redrawl of companies, funny how this isn't happening with Israel at the same speed when the crimes are far worse.

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Post by exe34 »

jerojero wrote: post #271
exe34 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does genocide mean in this context? Are you saying that an enemy can just put women and children in front of every military installation and the other side can never respond to any attacks anymore?

I find it hard to justify that thousands of children killed in the past few months and the countless reports from human rights organizations calling for the abuse that's happening to civilians in Gaza does not constitute genocidal intent. Not only that, but killing people trying to flee the conflict is also something that they've done. The words themselves of the people in government in Israel very much point to it.…

I don't think the Israeli soldiers want to be there, and I don't think their family want them risking their lives. What they really don't want is a repeat of the 7th October, and the only way that's going to be the case is to eradicate Hamas and control the gaza strip. It's clear that leaving them to self-govern is never lead to peace.

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Post by noduerme »

the_mar wrote: post #246
noduerme wrote: post #230

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Right. My point is that if you don't find that Google aligns with your morals, simply don't work for them. If you do, you've already violated your morals. Protesting your own employer just proves that on top of having bad judgment, you also have no loyalty. Two good reasons to be fired.

I have no loyalty to my employer. I like my workplace, and the work I do, and I think that the company treats employees well. However the relationship is entirely transactional.

Ok, good enough for you? All work is transactional. But I've fired high paying clients and quit high paying jobs because I didn't want to put my stamp on their politics, religion, or simply what their business model was extracting or selling.

I'm serious, have the balls to tell them you won't work for them because you consider them immoral. Take a stand. Something else will come along.

Having said all that I think if you don't quit then having an in-office protest without resigning is pathetic; it lacks the honesty of giving up your paycheck and reeks of entitlement.

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Post by PawgerZ »

waihtis wrote: post #233
spacechild1 wrote: post #227

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I wouldn't agree. Here the sarcasm isn't used to belittle the victims but to mock and shame the perpetrators.

Yeah I bet the Qatar monarchy is absolutely red with shame because someone offhandedly made a sarcastic comment about them on the interwebs

What happened to not using sarcasm when dealing with serious issues? Seems like pretty infantile behavior to me.

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Post by zrn900 »

C6JEsQeQa5fCjE wrote: post #249
zrn900 wrote: post #188

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> I might be old but I distinctly remember a humanitarian outcry in the 00's because Palestinians were murdering not only Jews and Christians but also homosexuals[0]. Just because there are anti-lgbt elements in Palestinian society and politics LGBT people wont be pro-genocide and side with Israel. The proposition defies description no sane person who is not a psychoapath will say "Oh, are they anti-LGBT and they may…

> no sane person who is not a psychoapath will say "Oh, are they anti-LGBT and they may kill LGBT people? I guess its okay for Israel to murder their children then..." I'd like to strip that sentence of the LGBT context, and point out that the general line of thinking (that there are legitimate reasons for wanting to kill a group of people's children) is actually popular enough to drive major policy. For example, giv…

> I'd like to strip that sentence of the LGBT context, and point out that the general line of thinking (that there are legitimate reasons for wanting to kill a group of people's children) is actually popular enough to drive major policy. For example, given the historical record, Israeli society has been conditioned to be okay with murdered children and applying disproportionate and devastating force

Yes, Im aware that this 'Kill their mothers/children' thing was brought to top-level public policy by their recent foreign affairs minister who for the first time publicly and openly used that rhetoric and it helped her career a lot. After this, their prominent politicians seem to have stopped hesitating from openly calling for it and this is the result.

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Post by zrn900 »

sixstringtheory wrote: post #216
zrn900 wrote: post #187

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> Correct. AI (or other technology) are tools. They can be used for good, they can be used for evil, it is should not be within the purview of a company to make such moral judgements. So basically when IBM was selling business machines that were being used in the concentration camps to the Nazi government it was ok. And when other US companies were selling all kinds of things including technology to the Nazis, which…

> Stop murdering children first. Of course, Israelis and their supporters will say the same thing. There is no one party to this state of affairs still alive that threw the first stone. There was October 7, before that there were settlements and annexations, before that there were intifadas, before that there were mandates, civil wars etc, all the while punctuated by stray killings, bombings and rocket attacks, on an…

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