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Re: Google workers arrested after protesting company's work with Israel

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Post by r00fus »

tptacek wrote: post #225
r00fus wrote: post #221

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> There are lots of white anti-white racists Sorry I think you lost the plot here. Can you give me a noteworthy example of such a person or group?

Seriously? You want me to provide examples of white people who make unjustifiable negative assumptions about the characteristics of white people?

My point is that such people exist doesn't mean they represent anyone other than as an argument point. These people have zero influence or access to levers in politics. They are convenient idiots for the opposite viewpoint.

Re: Google workers arrested after protesting company's work with Israel

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Post by tptacek »

r00fus wrote: post #231
tptacek wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seriously? You want me to provide examples of white people who make unjustifiable negative assumptions about the characteristics of white people?

My point is that such people exist doesn't mean they represent anyone other than as an argument point. These people have zero influence or access to levers in politics. They are convenient idiots for the opposite viewpoint.

We're talking past each other. It is obviously not my claim that most Jewish people are antisemitic.

Re: Google workers arrested after protesting company's work with Israel

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Post by dtornabene »

tptacek wrote: post #186
pcthrowaway wrote: post #183

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The protest was organized by Jewish Voice for Peace... are you suggesting they're an anti-semitic group?

Many Jewish people do believe that, yes. JVP is not a mainstream group. They tread pretty close to the line on things like the Blood Libel in their rhetoric, and, in particular, in a long-term campaign they've run linking police violence in the US to Israel (a risible claim, for what it's worth). I'm not saying they're antisemitic. I'm not qualified to render that kind of judgement. You can easily argue that the ADL…

"Many Jewish people" according to....who, you? Seriously! Who is the "many Jewish people"??! Do you regularly poll the jewish diaspora? Israel? Specifically on the collective jewish opinions of JVP? Man if I wanted to write up an example breakdown on how to structure a weasel word contradiction ridden filled post I could start a lot worse than here! "They tread pretty close to the line on things like the Blood Libel in their rhetoric" sure seems like something I'd want to substantiate! Claiming one of the most venerable peace organizations in American Jewish communal life is "treading the line on Blood Libel" (love that capitalization, great stuff) is disgusting, full stop. Maybe if you recognize that you're "not qualified to render that judgement" you should....not do it. Which is exactly what a cowardly "they come close to blood libel" type of a claim is. A claim about antisemitism. Really really gross and frankly beggars belief that you, a gentile, who is a self-professed catholic (I've been on this board almost as long as you have homie, and up until recently I read your posts with interest) feels the need to accuse a bunch of pacifist jews of capital B capital L Blood Libel.

As for US police training in Israel, once again, you show your own profound ignorance, or outright dishonesty, by stating this is a "risible" claim. US police training in Israel has been well documented, and pretending that there aren't any carryover effects of that training is itself the "risible" claim. https://www.amnestyusa.org/updates/with-whom-are-many-u-s-po...

Re: Google workers arrested after protesting company's work with Israel

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Post by ionwake »

krapp wrote: post #201
int_19h wrote: post #199

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The historical hacker culture was not exactly friendly towards large corporations and "suits" in general.

Unfortunately, the historical hacker culture is not the hacker culture for which this forum was created. Watching the culture clashes when expectations meet reality is always a hoot.

I heard about this community about a decade ago through the respect being paid to a legendary hacker from the (nineties?) I believe so I guess the forum adopted the culture. It sure is as close as I got to them, reading obituary threads, with folks telling tales of yore.

Re: Google workers arrested after protesting company's work with Israel

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Post by ionwake »

KingOfCoders wrote: post #52
ionwake wrote: post #38

I have no idea what happened but I always love it when people get cross over improper behaviour such as grey hat work or “sitting protests” at the worlds largest corp … on a website called hackernews

You might have a misunderstanding of the term "hacker".

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Re: Google workers arrested after protesting company's work with Israel

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Post by HDThoreaun »

Thiez wrote: post #227
HDThoreaun wrote: post #164

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The Hamas charter says kill all jews. They got so much pushback about that that they amended it, now it says kill all zionists. Killing Israelis is not a controversial take among palestinians.

It shouldn't be controversial to hate and want to destroy the people who have been oppressing and murdering you and your people for decades. It's understandable. It's absurd that the oppressor can then turn around and say "Our victims hate us! We have to keep oppressing and murdering for our own security!" and that anyone would take this argument seriously. In practice we've seen that the oppressed usually don't go o…

Simplistic oppressor vs opressed narratives are simplistic. Yes, the palestinians have been oppressed for almost a century at this point. No, I dont blame them for fighting back. I dont blame the Israelis for defending their home either though. The reality is that both sides have committed grave atrocities here and any narrative that tries to place the blame squarely on one side is glossing over a huge amount of historical context.

The Israelis have every reason to continue to be worried about palestinian terrorism. A one state solution would involve them losing control of the government. Maybe the palestinians that would make up the majority would be nice to the Israelis, but I really really doubt that based on the way theyve treated the israelis over the past century. They certainly would attempt to institute sharia law which is probably enough of a reason for Israelis to reject a one state solution.

Re: Google workers arrested after protesting company's work with Israel

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Post by CyberDildonics »

inemesitaffia wrote: post #230
gataca wrote: post #211

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Totally agree that Sudan, Ethiopia, and the Kurdish people aren't getting enough attention by the HN crowd. Why do you think that is?

Jews

What do you mean by this?

Re: Google workers arrested after protesting company's work with Israel

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Post by inemesitaffia »

CyberDildonics wrote: post #238
inemesitaffia wrote: post #230

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Jews

What do you mean by this?

The difference between the conflict in Palestine and elsewhere is antisemitism.

You'd never see a any level of this **** for any conflict unless people are drafted

Re: Google workers arrested after protesting company's work with Israel

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Post by dragonwriter »

inemesitaffia wrote: post #239
CyberDildonics wrote: post #238

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What do you mean by this?

The difference between the conflict in Palestine and elsewhere is antisemitism. You'd never see a any level of this **** for any conflict unless people are drafted

You saw something like it in the 1980s over the conflict over apartheid in South Africa, and that’s without the level of acute violence as there is in the Israel/Palestine conflict. You saw it around the US’s own Iraq War, with no draft prospect. In short, no, this is very clearly wrong.

The difference between the Israel/Palestine conflict and most other conflicts that people bring up with “why aren’t protestors attacking this” (including the inverted side of the Israel/Palestine conflict: “why aren’t people protesting against Hamas?”) is the combination of widespread US disapproval for Israeli action in the conflict [0] with substantial ongoing US military assistance for the Israel. People aren’t protesting Israel, they are protesting US policy in support of Israel while Israel acts in ways that are opposed. This is in common with both the anti-apartheid movement in the US (where, again, US government support for South Africa was the target) and the Iraq War protests (where the US was a direct party to the conflict), though while substantial opposition to US policy was involved in both cases, neither (at least at the beginning of substantial protest) had nearly the level of domestic opposition as exists to Israel’s actions in Gaza.

(This is spreading

[0] https://news.gallup.com/poll/642695/majority-disapprove-isra...

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