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Re: Google workers arrested after protesting company's work with Israel

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Post by r00fus »

tptacek wrote: post #190
pcthrowaway wrote: post #187

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If people are arguing that a Jewish peace advocacy group is antisemitic, I think they've lost all conception of what that word means. They're using the word "antisemite" to mean anti-zionist or anti-Israel, or anti-occupation. "Anti-semitism" is a hatred of Jewish people or discriminatory attitudes towards them. There is a large contingency of Jewish people who believe Jews are better than other people (this idea is…

There are lots of white anti-white racists, there are Black anti-Black racists, and there are indeed Jewish antisemites. You're adopting a position of shock and disbelief that (some) Jewish people find JVP problematic. I'm telling you: that's not helping the credibility of your argument, because this is an old, well-covered controversy, and the points that JVP's critics raise aren't superficial. You don't have to agr…

> There are lots of white anti-white racists

Sorry I think you lost the plot here. Can you give me a noteworthy example of such a person or group?

Re: Google workers arrested after protesting company's work with Israel

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Post by r00fus »

packetlost wrote: post #212
int_19h wrote: post #198

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You know, we hear this thing about Israel being a "long-standing ally" all the time, but what exactly does US get out of this alliance except for a massive yearly bill of military aid, and recurring feuds with basically everyone else in that region?

A strong foothold in a region that has historically been unstable. Most importantly, preventing the aggression of Iran into other countries.

This "strong foothold" is the cause of a lot of problems in the region. Unless that's the point?

Re: Google workers arrested after protesting company's work with Israel

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Post by metadat »

metadat wrote: post #57
greyface- wrote: post #36

Videos of the arrests: https://www.twitch.tv/notech4apartheid/clip/BloodyExquisiteP... https://twitter.com/taliaotg/status/1780432300548804637

This is the moment Thomas Kurian showed his true colors, silently hiding behind his security henchman when confronted with peaceful protesters, when he could have ignored them and simply not gone into the office for now. Silence is equivalent to actively stating he sides with Israel and "The Company", Google, who pays him tens of millions of dollars per year in compensation. That's a helluva incentive for someone wit…

Yeah, there are a lot of [gx]ooglers on this site, so the massive downvotes were not asurprise. I also acknowledge my comment was against site guidelines (not contributing to "curious conversation"). Yet still, I feel compelled to speak my mind because I have direct firsthand knowledge of Thomas Kurian.. and yuck. Nothing is special or surprising about that one.

Best wishes to all personkind,

M.D.

p.s. Even Dang gets downvoted sometimes, although to be fair, he doesn't engage in this sort of thread. *Shrug*

Re: Google workers arrested after protesting company's work with Israel

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Post by pcthrowaway »

r00fus wrote: post #220
pcthrowaway wrote: post #183

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The protest was organized by Jewish Voice for Peace... are you suggesting they're an anti-semitic group?

The modern definition of anti-semitism by zionists is: "not pro zionist".

Yeah, and when following this logic to its conclusion you end up aligning with actual literal anti-semites in the alt-right like Richard Spencer, who loves Israel[1] as an exemplary model of what a white ethno-nationalist state should aspire to be.

[1]: https://www.newsweek.com/white-supremacist-richard-spencer-f...

Re: Google workers arrested after protesting company's work with Israel

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Post by tptacek »

r00fus wrote: post #221
tptacek wrote: post #190

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There are lots of white anti-white racists, there are Black anti-Black racists, and there are indeed Jewish antisemites. You're adopting a position of shock and disbelief that (some) Jewish people find JVP problematic. I'm telling you: that's not helping the credibility of your argument, because this is an old, well-covered controversy, and the points that JVP's critics raise aren't superficial. You don't have to agr…

> There are lots of white anti-white racists Sorry I think you lost the plot here. Can you give me a noteworthy example of such a person or group?

Seriously? You want me to provide examples of white people who make unjustifiable negative assumptions about the characteristics of white people?

Re: Google workers arrested after protesting company's work with Israel

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Post by Thiez »

myth_drannon wrote: post #197
tsimionescu wrote: post #148

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Hamas did not kill 1200 civilians on October 7. There were ~1200 victims total in the attack. There were 274 soldiers, and 95 police or other security officers, and 764 civilians [0]. At least a few of the civilians were not killed by Hamas directly, but by IDF firing on Hamas terrorists holding them hostage [1]. Of course, each and every one of these victims is a tragedy. There are also an additional few hundred peo…

Hamas Ministry of Health officials changed their numbers and brought it down to 22k. so if 13K of these are Hamas terrorists(according to IDF), it means 9K civilians dead. Probably half from failed Hamas rocket launches that were raining down on Gaza civilians at the beginning of the war. These are very low numbers for urban combat as we see in Gaza.

Don't you think it's strange that every civilian that dies is either a woman or a child? According to Israels numbers they have never killed an innocent man, only women and children get in the way while killing the resistance fighters.

Re: Google workers arrested after protesting company's work with Israel

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Post by Thiez »

HDThoreaun wrote: post #164
edanm wrote: post #147

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> By every available poll, the Palestinians want to kill them all. I think that's a big stretch. Many/most Palestinians want "their" land back, and many/most might want Israel gone. But that is not at all the same as saying they want all Israelis killed. Some might want a one-state solution that gives them rights without necessarily infringing on Jews's rights, some might think that most Jews will have a place to go…

The Hamas charter says kill all jews. They got so much pushback about that that they amended it, now it says kill all zionists. Killing Israelis is not a controversial take among palestinians.

It shouldn't be controversial to hate and want to destroy the people who have been oppressing and murdering you and your people for decades. It's understandable. It's absurd that the oppressor can then turn around and say "Our victims hate us! We have to keep oppressing and murdering for our own security!" and that anyone would take this argument seriously.

In practice we've seen that the oppressed usually don't go on a massive revenge killing spree. Take for example the end of slavery in the US, or the end of apartheid in South Africa. Were all the white people murdered in revenge? No, even though many probably deserved it.

I'm sure most Palestinians would be open for having a single country with equal rights and no apartheid from the river to the sea shared with the Israelis. Israel will never accept this because they want to maintain their apartheid and white supremacy.

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Post by Thiez »

NeverFade wrote: post #182
edanm wrote: post #147

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> By every available poll, the Palestinians want to kill them all. I think that's a big stretch. Many/most Palestinians want "their" land back, and many/most might want Israel gone. But that is not at all the same as saying they want all Israelis killed. Some might want a one-state solution that gives them rights without necessarily infringing on Jews's rights, some might think that most Jews will have a place to go…

Hamas is the favorite to win an election in Palestinian state: > If elections were held today, Fatah would lose to Hamas 17 to 34 percent. https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/03/22/poll-hamas-remains-p... They are also the party that won the last (and only) election held by Palestinians, as well as the current rulers of Gaza. Their explicit goal is to kill every Jew in Israel, and they have acted it out in the genocida…

It's absurd to be accusing Hamas of genocide while Israel is committing an actual genocide on the Palestinians as we speak, and has a long history of apartheid and ethnic cleansing as well. Maybe we can worry about the hypothetical genocide that Hamas might want to commit but can't due to the massive difference in military power after the genocide that is currently being committed by Israel is stopped?

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Post by inemesitaffia »

r00fus wrote: post #221
tptacek wrote: post #190

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There are lots of white anti-white racists, there are Black anti-Black racists, and there are indeed Jewish antisemites. You're adopting a position of shock and disbelief that (some) Jewish people find JVP problematic. I'm telling you: that's not helping the credibility of your argument, because this is an old, well-covered controversy, and the points that JVP's critics raise aren't superficial. You don't have to agr…

> There are lots of white anti-white racists Sorry I think you lost the plot here. Can you give me a noteworthy example of such a person or group?

Google Gemini.

See the person that posted here he'd find it odd for someone to request photos of a white family because white only families are sus

Re: Google workers arrested after protesting company's work with Israel

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Post by inemesitaffia »

gataca wrote: post #211
dunekid wrote: post #189

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And the worst is really horrible. You would think that people who have pretty much all the resources to learn about the genocide is actively promoting the voice of the perpetrator. This for sure is an eye opening incident, if we were to get to AGI one day, what biases it might hold. And by looking at the attitude of those in power, future is looking a bit bleak.

Totally agree that Sudan, Ethiopia, and the Kurdish people aren't getting enough attention by the HN crowd. Why do you think that is?

Jews
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