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Cult of the Dead Cow – Veilid (2023)

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Re: Cult of the Dead Cow – Veilid (2023)

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I had high hopes for Veilid when it was unveiled (ha) but I stopped hearing about it soon after it was published online. Veilid Chat didn't really seem to work once I found the source code and except for a few "hello world" networking programs I haven't seen anything use the protocol yet. The official website doesn't seem to be getting any updates anymore.

A shame, because this has a lot to offer, in my opinion.

Re: Cult of the Dead Cow – Veilid (2023)

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post #3

The web needs more sites hosting raw .html pages formatted as plain text decorated with ASCII art with zero regard for mobile. I say this with complete sincerity.

Use HTMX.

HTMX is cool but not necessary for static html pages..

I prefer to use HTMX in place of other frameworks, but if you don't need a framework at all, even better!

Re: Cult of the Dead Cow – Veilid (2023)

#53
I went to the launch party they had during defcon, it was a lot of fun. I like that Veild is oriented toward being an application framework. In the same way that we have things like libsodium to use cryptography in our apps without being a master of it, we need frameworks/libraries to help build privacy oriented apps as well.

Re: Cult of the Dead Cow – Veilid (2023)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Around that time, maybe a little bit earlier, I was a Sun nerd surrounded by other Sun nerds, but this worked for Linux too: We'd FTP into each other's machines and upload things like .au files of lonely whale cries into /dev/audio for an endless supply of WTF Moments.

Oh the good times in the Un*x lab (Mostly AIX, sigh) in my first year of Uni. Telnet (What? SSH in 1995-6? nah) to friend's workstation DISPLAY=0:0; export DISPLAY xwininfo -root -all *find some candidate window or control* xkill -id XXXXXX (or just fire a perl oneliner to allocate the sum of memory and swap, and then repeatedly scan it in a random pattern. But that wasn't me).*

And `talk`, the best chat client created ever.

Re: Cult of the Dead Cow – Veilid (2023)

#56

I had high hopes for Veilid when it was unveiled (ha) but I stopped hearing about it soon after it was published online. Veilid Chat didn't really seem to work once I found the source code and except for a few "hello world" networking programs I haven't seen anything use the protocol yet. The official website doesn't seem to be getting any updates anymore. A shame, because this has a lot to offer, in my opinion.

They're still updating it regularly, but it hasn't grown nearly as fast as they wanted it to. Last I heard they're working on doing nightlies and weeklies for release too. I don't really think that matters as much as just having a good release schedule and tools that leverage it.

Re: Cult of the Dead Cow – Veilid (2023)

#57

This was actually announced/released last year. It is absolutley fascinating and deserving of HN (IMHO). > Veilid is an open-source, peer-to-peer, mobile-first, networked application framework. Website: https://veilid.com/ Overview: https://veilid.com/docs/overview/ Slides from the Defcon presentatino: https://veilid.com/Launch-Slides-Veilid.pdf Code: https://gitlab.com/veilid/veilid

Defcon Launch party was fun too!

Re: Cult of the Dead Cow – Veilid (2023)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If done correctly it doesn’t matter. SSR can yield an accessible HTML page and you won’t notice the difference. Client-side JS can adapt the web site to your needs -a personalization that is hard to achieve in static.

When was the last time... Or rather, when have you ever seen a framework-based page with accessibility done correctly?

I have seen many sites scoring well on various accessibility metrics. There’s no inherent technical limitation of frameworks that would make accessibility impossible, even when dealing with text to speech. We will see many more next year with EAA coming into effect (and many European companies do care about compliance).

Re: Cult of the Dead Cow – Veilid (2023)

#59

Weren't these the guys who released BackOrifice back in the day? It was a simple to use remote control trojan with a nice GUI... had a blast with it :P https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Back_Orifice?wprov=sfla1 As a kid, I attached it to some shareware game and sent it to a friend, letting it lurk. I called him up a few days later. And then once we started playing the game, I waited for a suspenseful moment to suddenly p…

It’s worth reading their new book which is a history of the group. The chat was launched at defcon last year at their birthday party and there will be more this year.

I didn't know they wrote a book! Just bought a copy. It's probably gonna pwn my ereader now, but worth it for the lulz.
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