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Re: Most Tech Jobs Are Jokes and I Am Not Laughing

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Post by trimethylpurine » Fri, Apr 26, 2024, 5:52 AM UTC

xandrius wrote: post #63

trimethylpurine wrote: post #50

It sounds like you interview very well. For public job posts 9 months is reasonable to find the right (or closest to that) job. 5 interviews sounds like you're not really looking. I'm not sure if that's how many you had. But, 45 interviews sounds more reasonable for getting a good selection of jobs to choose from. The largest fish in the lake isn't likely to be the first one you catch on your first visit. Though, som…

Ah, 45 interviews. What a beautiful world you live in.

If you are spending more than 45 interviews to find a job, you may need to take some courses and practice with friends. Interviewing is an acquired skill.

Re: Most Tech Jobs Are Jokes and I Am Not Laughing

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Post by mariusor » Fri, Apr 26, 2024, 7:58 AM UTC

Nevermark wrote: post #69

mariusor wrote: post #64

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And are you sure your use cases don't match others', or are you not willing to share your work for free with them? Why would it be performative to make it public?

Their point is they don’t think their project is suitable to be public, so making it so would be performative.

I got that, but my question was "why?" on both accounts.

Re: Most Tech Jobs Are Jokes and I Am Not Laughing

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Post by trimethylpurine » Fri, Apr 26, 2024, 10:11 AM UTC

mariusor wrote: post #72

Nevermark wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their point is they don’t think their project is suitable to be public, so making it so would be performative.

I got that, but my question was "why?" on both accounts.

I can think of a lot of answers.

1. You don't care what others think.

2. GitHub is trying to be social media.

3. Lots of code is useless because it serves as some specific compatibly for an ad hoc process that someone a long time ago automated wrong.

4. Publishing code to GitHub requires effort in making it look readable to someone who isn't doing what you're doing.

5. If you don't do #4, you'll clutter up search results for others, which is literally a disservice to open source.

Also, public repos are for getting lots of people to work together for the good of the project's utility. Making them public for others' plaudits is literally the worst thing to happen to open source development.

Save the vanity for Facebook. We're trying to solve problems here.

Re: Most Tech Jobs Are Jokes and I Am Not Laughing

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Post by itsoktocry » Fri, Apr 26, 2024, 11:03 AM UTC

slotrans wrote: post #54

holliplex wrote: post #7

I understand the frustration. But if I were looking for a job, I simply would not publicly announce to the world that I am this much of a dick.

This person's style is a great sorting machine. If you don't like it, you're not going to get along with them. I like it very much. I would probably hire this person.

>I like it very much. I would probably hire this person.

Sounds like a low-EQ environment. I'm perfect, every issue is someone else's.

Re: Most Tech Jobs Are Jokes and I Am Not Laughing

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Post by itsoktocry » Fri, Apr 26, 2024, 11:04 AM UTC

throwaway5959 wrote: post #61

okdood64 wrote: post #56

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> Please retire to do something that doesn't hurt my soul this badly and that you might actually have an aptitude for, like burning down orphanages or kicking puppies. Yea, this guy sounds pleasant. Would love to work with him. But seriously, I don't understand how people can appreciate this level of toxicity.

Work for a terrible engineering organization (public, private, doesn’t matter) and you’ll understand. Especially where technical leadership can’t rely on engineers to do anything but code with very strict guardrails.

>Work for a terrible engineering organization (public, private, doesn’t matter) and you’ll understand.

Understand what? This guy is contributing to horrible environments, not just a victim.

Why are do so many tech people have such low agency?

Re: Most Tech Jobs Are Jokes and I Am Not Laughing

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Post by itsoktocry » Fri, Apr 26, 2024, 11:10 AM UTC

mariusor wrote: post #66

lobf wrote: post #60

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You can be straight forward without being crass, rude, or aggressive. That’s a desirable professional skill.

Or you can judge how to approach each interaction individually instead of applying a global veneer of fake pleasantness that the US work culture labels as "being professional".

>US work culture labels as "being professional".

You guys realize this person wrote a blog post about not being able to find a job, right?

"This toxic personality is so refreshing? But why can't he find a job?"

What a mystery.

Re: Most Tech Jobs Are Jokes and I Am Not Laughing

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Post by xandrius » Fri, Apr 26, 2024, 1:29 PM UTC

trimethylpurine wrote: post #71

xandrius wrote: post #63

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Ah, 45 interviews. What a beautiful world you live in.

If you are spending more than 45 interviews to find a job, you may need to take some courses and practice with friends. Interviewing is an acquired skill.

My point was that even getting 1 interview can take ages these days.

Re: Most Tech Jobs Are Jokes and I Am Not Laughing

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Post by cableshaft » Fri, Apr 26, 2024, 2:13 PM UTC

defrost wrote: post #45

cableshaft wrote: post #41

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> Could be why I still have all my hair and good health. If you just mean in regards to stress, then working tech at an insurance company is a pretty low-stress job from my experience. Finance can be pretty low-stress too in certain sectors. Like I've been working for a wealth management and investment analysis company, and haven't worked more than a 40 hour work week in years, with lots of flexibility during work to…

More that I've never been much of a fan of working in offices, I like the outdoor life and have done a great deal of coding "on the move" while transitioning old paper mapping systems to WGS84, building and field testing exploration geophysics instrumentation, aquisition and processing software, tagging and tracking trucks and animals in mining and agriculture, and building energy and mineral resource intelligence sy…

No that sounds awesome, and much more interesting than what I'm working on. Congrats!

I am working from an office, but at least it's a home office. I can crack a window for fresh air, and look out at the prairie beyond my backyard from my office window. When the weather is nicer I sometimes start the work day out on the patio.

Re: Most Tech Jobs Are Jokes and I Am Not Laughing

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Post by trimethylpurine » Fri, Apr 26, 2024, 2:24 PM UTC

xandrius wrote: post #77

trimethylpurine wrote: post #71

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If you are spending more than 45 interviews to find a job, you may need to take some courses and practice with friends. Interviewing is an acquired skill.

My point was that even getting 1 interview can take ages these days.

Yeah, it's a lot of work, I agree. You have to spend 2-3 hours a day filling out applications. More if you can muster the patience for it. But if you commit to 5 applications per day (admittedly that's a heavy workload) that's 150 applications a month. You should be able to get at least 5 offers to interview out of that. And of those 1/10 will offer you a job. Which means you will be picking from 4 job offers.

That's all a bunch of bullshit numbers but you get the idea. It's a lot more work to get a good job than most people think.

I'm trying to paint a clear picture. I have an enjoyable job. Enviable even. When I hear people bitch about 5 interviews with no good offers, I feel bad for them. The expectation needs to be that this is the case. The solution is to adjust expectations to match reality. If you're trying to say it's hard to get a job, I agree. I'm going further. It's way harder than you think. But it's not impossible. I did it. Most people did it.

And we all complained the whole way too.

Re: Most Tech Jobs Are Jokes and I Am Not Laughing

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Post by dogleash » Fri, Apr 26, 2024, 3:36 PM UTC

okdood64 wrote: post #56

slotrans wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This person's style is a great sorting machine. If you don't like it, you're not going to get along with them. I like it very much. I would probably hire this person.

> Please retire to do something that doesn't hurt my soul this badly and that you might actually have an aptitude for, like burning down orphanages or kicking puppies. Yea, this guy sounds pleasant. Would love to work with him. But seriously, I don't understand how people can appreciate this level of toxicity.

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