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Most Tech Jobs Are Jokes and I Am Not Laughing

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Re: Most Tech Jobs Are Jokes and I Am Not Laughing

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This person's style is a great sorting machine. If you don't like it, you're not going to get along with them. I like it very much. I would probably hire this person.

> Please retire to do something that doesn't hurt my soul this badly and that you might actually have an aptitude for, like burning down orphanages or kicking puppies. Yea, this guy sounds pleasant. Would love to work with him. But seriously, I don't understand how people can appreciate this level of toxicity.

Work for a terrible engineering organization (public, private, doesn’t matter) and you’ll understand. Especially where technical leadership can’t rely on engineers to do anything but code with very strict guardrails.

Re: Most Tech Jobs Are Jokes and I Am Not Laughing

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Different strokes I guess. I personally appreciate the straight forward approach to this style versus the normal corporate environment.

You can be straight forward without being crass, rude, or aggressive. That’s a desirable professional skill.

I think much like the author’s writing it’s a very polarizing thing, and it either clicks with people or doesn’t. For those that it doesn’t I can understand the viewpoint that it’s extremely negative.

I disagree that it’s inherently rude or aggressive. You can absolutely tell someone they’re a moron in a very polite and joking way, but it clearly won’t translate into writing very well.

As for crass, yeah definitely ¯\ _(ツ)_/¯

Re: Most Tech Jobs Are Jokes and I Am Not Laughing

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It sounds like you interview very well. For public job posts 9 months is reasonable to find the right (or closest to that) job. 5 interviews sounds like you're not really looking. I'm not sure if that's how many you had. But, 45 interviews sounds more reasonable for getting a good selection of jobs to choose from. The largest fish in the lake isn't likely to be the first one you catch on your first visit. Though, som…

Ah, 45 interviews. What a beautiful world you live in.

Re: Most Tech Jobs Are Jokes and I Am Not Laughing

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I've been a C++ dev for more than a decade and every single project I've ever worked on has been confidential and closed source, there is nothing for me to put on GitHub, other than personal stuff but then why would I ever do that? My hobby projects don't reflect my professional standards for coding, if they did they would no longer be hobby projects :P

Same with me, I have active projects on github but the repos are private and bespoke, very specific to my environment. It's not performative activity to make my profile look good, I actually use the stuff.

And are you sure your use cases don't match others', or are you not willing to share your work for free with them? Why would it be performative to make it public?

Re: Most Tech Jobs Are Jokes and I Am Not Laughing

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This person's style is a great sorting machine. If you don't like it, you're not going to get along with them. I like it very much. I would probably hire this person.

> Please retire to do something that doesn't hurt my soul this badly and that you might actually have an aptitude for, like burning down orphanages or kicking puppies. Yea, this guy sounds pleasant. Would love to work with him. But seriously, I don't understand how people can appreciate this level of toxicity.

Cultural humour does not translate that well between AUS and other western countries, especially the US, but sometimes a joke is just a joke.

Re: Most Tech Jobs Are Jokes and I Am Not Laughing

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post #60

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Different strokes I guess. I personally appreciate the straight forward approach to this style versus the normal corporate environment.

You can be straight forward without being crass, rude, or aggressive. That’s a desirable professional skill.

Or you can judge how to approach each interaction individually instead of applying a global veneer of fake pleasantness that the US work culture labels as "being professional".

Re: Most Tech Jobs Are Jokes and I Am Not Laughing

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This was some of the funniest shit I've read in a long time. 100% relate to the rampant cargo cult culture: "Oh, nice, I see you abstracted the clock but not using a mock in the tests, why did you abstract it?" ... "I read an article saying it should be..."

:sigh:

I recommend just walking into places that look interesting to work at and literally giving them your resume in person. Granted, I haven't done that since pre-covid, but it used to work well. I'd sometimes walk in and then just turn around (could tell immediately it wasn't a place I wanted to work). Sometimes, I'd get invited to lunch and get a job offer before the day was over. Granted, that was pre-covid, so in the days of hybrid/remote work, this probably doesn't work as well.

Anyway, finding a job is shit. This I totally agree with.

Re: Most Tech Jobs Are Jokes and I Am Not Laughing

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Oh wow, this resonates so badly with me. This guy must be my Malay / Aussie doppelganger. My company has the same bullshit, but we have terrible coffee instead of terrible tea. I used to buy my own on the way to the office, but now I've become so cynical I just don't care anymore.

When I joined just after COVID we were working from the office 5 days a week. I'd been working remotely for nearly a decade so thought it would be a welcome change, but oh man, I completely forgot about all the office BS you need to deal with. Eventually they realised that policy made hiring people hard, as now everyone expects to WFH, so they now allow is to work from home 1 day a week. Over Christmas and New Year they were so grateful for all our hard work, that they allowed us to work from home for 2 days a week. That was literally all we got for Christmas.

For the past few months I've been looking for a more chilled out job. I have a family now, and have gone past the point of seeing any purpose or fulfilment in my work. I just want to clock in, do my 8 hours, then leave at the end of the day and switch to family mode. The biggest issue for me has been recruiters ghosting me. I have an interview that goes well then at the end I hear "I'll be in touch by the end of play tomorrow" and don't hear anything back. Or recruiters message me on LinkedIn, I reply saying "yes I'm willing to torture myself with your interview process. Can you call me tomorrow afternoon?" and then I don't hear anything back.

Like OP most of the jobs I've had are through my network, or from recruiters reaching out to me during times when anyone with a heartbeat could get a senior React position. Sometimes I wonder, am I just a bad engineer? Am I just terrible at selling myself?

The best job I ever had was also with a team that had funny shaped keyboards - it's how I learned Vim. We would stay after work to play video games, and go out for drinks as a team once or twice a week. We worked hard, but it didn't feel like work. I'd love to find that again, but nothing has even come close. I don't know if it's just that I was young or naive and "the grass is always greener" when looking back, or that I have now been infected with the cyninism that capitalism breeds.

(And for anyone wondering, I - and I assume OP is the same - do not talk like this to others, and especially not in an interview. My cynicism stays in my head)

Re: Most Tech Jobs Are Jokes and I Am Not Laughing

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Same with me, I have active projects on github but the repos are private and bespoke, very specific to my environment. It's not performative activity to make my profile look good, I actually use the stuff.

And are you sure your use cases don't match others', or are you not willing to share your work for free with them? Why would it be performative to make it public?

Their point is they don’t think their project is suitable to be public, so making it so would be performative.

Re: Most Tech Jobs Are Jokes and I Am Not Laughing

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On the one hand the idiocy and incompetence in these interviews is not unusual for corporate hiring of all kinds. So it's reasonable to be infuriated. But there's more than a hint of narcissism in the writing. Which is incredibly toxic to work with, because every interaction becomes less about solving problems and more about aggressive assertions of dominance and superiority. On the upside, if he's as smart as he wan…

A few narcissists I've met in tech have potential but never get past first base because they are incapable of admitting they're wrong, and therefore incapable of improving. They are perpetually junior devs that are good at self promotion. I'm not saying the author is like that, but he might be.

They don’t really pump themselves. Their network is full of people they appreciate.

They would like to work in a better context with such people.

They are discouraged by the quagmire of the low quality cold interview swamp.

I don’t see narcissistic flags here, and I have had significant experiences with that category of person. Unfortunately.

The irreverent gallows humor seems to be throwing some people off. But that is often a creative person’s tactic for maintaining a light mood in casual (not professional) contexts, despite rough circumstances.

(Narcissism isn’t being off putting, difficult, unpleasant, objectionable, etc. It is as important to not overapply that concept as it is to recognize it. It is usually not immediately obvious, as they are often image conscious and exude charm. Unless they have a secure power imbalance, or you are socially irrelevant to what they care about.)

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